what makes the ball doe this??

[Sandwedge74]

hey Sandtrapers ,

I have a question about a shot have wanting to add to my bag. You this shot on tour all the time - players seem to hit from 10 yards on in. it's when they chip the ball with a medium trajectory and and it hops once or twice and then checks up and basically stops. my wedges are currently a 52 and 56 - does this shot require a 60* wedge?? I use nxt tours which a good amount of green side spin and my Mizuno mp-r 56 sand wedge is solid season old - so maybe its the club?? what do you guys think?? is more wrist action in the shot??

[Wisco-Kid]

I have been wondering the same thing. I wonder if it is a matter of not striking the ball hard enough for fear of it flying over the green. There must be a way for you to strike down hard on the ball and accelerate through and still keep it low.

It doesnt seem like it would be your ball or your wedge you have listed they both seem able to do the job.

[sonicblue]

I'm not sure you see this from 10 yds, that's awfully close, maybe 20-25. IMO, it's not so much about the loft of the club as it is:

1) the ball: gotta be the right kind (3-piece? not up on my ball technology, just know it's a big factor). My gut says an NXT Tour probably doesn't fit the bill.

2) the contact: have to hit the ball first, no grass in between, sharply downward, firm acceleration

[Sandwedge74]

yea I do wonder though because they seem to strike the ball so hard that a
60 * degree wedge will allow you to do this with putting spin on it and not flying it too far

[Wisco-Kid]

The last time I went out I just played the last 3 holes on my course's back nine and practiced trying to do something that even remotely resembled this shot. I was using a Nike SV tour 60 and a pro v1. I hit a couple of shots from about 30 yards out and struck down hard on the ball first with perfect contact and a mighty dollar bill divot too. Nada, it didn't hop and check. It didnt roll off the green but I couldnt get the sucker to spin back or hop check either. I am going to keep trying. You must have to hit the ball way harder then you think....?

[Spectrums]

You need a very shallow angle of attack and striking the ball first. The divot should come after, if there even is a divot.

[Sandwedge74]

I think nxt tours are 3 piece balls - they spin a lot thats for sure

[Sandwedge74]

The last time I went out I just played the last 3 holes on my course's back nine and practiced trying to do something that even remotely resembled this shot. I was using a Nike SV tour 60 and a pro v1. I hit a couple of shots from about 30 yards out and struck down hard on the ball first with perfect contact and a mighty dollar bill divot too. Nada, it didn't hop and check. It didnt roll off the green but I couldnt get the sucker to spin back or hop check either. I am going to keep trying. You must have to hit the ball way harder then you think....?

so i do need a 60 degree for this type of shot??

[NM Golf]

No, a 56 or even a 52 will suffice. Just make sure the grooves are clean and you "pinch" the ball between the face of the club and the turf. Its not neccessarily a steep angle that does it. Whenever I want to hit this type of shot I just think of pinching the ball and catching it clean.

[Wisco-Kid]

so i do need a 60 degree for this type of shot??

No I dont think so. I wasnt trying to say that you needed a 60. It didnt work for my anyway. I think a 52 or 56 would actually work better....

[Avid Golfer]

Just make sure the grooves are clean and you "pinch" the ball between the face of the club and the turf. Its not neccessarily a steep angle that does it. Whenever I want to hit this type of shot I just think of pinching the ball and catching it clean.

Like NM metioned you want to pinch the ball, not jab into the ground. I also recommend you keep the arms and club from rotating during the stroke. If the arms and club rotate open in the backswing you will loose spin, and have a higher chance of the club rotating closed on you on the way back. To keep the club from rotating on you feel like you keep the clubhead swinging outside the hands during the chipping motion.

[Lefty731PM]

hey Sandtrapers ,

Think about what happens when you squeeze a table tennis ball and it shoots off and then comes back.

You couldn't do that on a fluffy surface. Your fairways have to be very tight and you have to have the confidence to hit it hard, and have the right ball. The ball has to be squeezed against the ground so that the club can apply the spin, along with pressure on the ground. You will not be able to do it off the kinds of lies that most of us prefer. When I have the kind of lie that makes it possible, I'm moe likely to opt for the Texas wedge for fear of chunking it. You'll get variou replies from players who claim to be able to "pull the string" from anywhere, but they're in the "290 down the middle consistently" playing off "about 25 but I've never checked" category

[iacas]

The ball has to be squeezed against the ground so that the club can apply the spin, along with pressure on the ground.

Let's be clear, though: the ball doesn't

actually get squeezed against the ground at all. Not one bit. The ball gets lifted immediately. The "pinch" methodology works because it encourages you to lead with your hands and hit down on the ball. Those things help to generate backspin. If you have a clean lie (i.e. no grass going to get between the ball and the clubface), you can hit the kind of shot described - a low, checking shot. It has nothing to do with how hard the fairway is.

[obsessedgolfer]

i am as clueless as you about that type of shot if you want to create more spin you should do this drill, take choke down about two feet on your wedge, this will cause you to have your hands leading the ball try swining wlike that for a couple minutes it will get you used to taking a divot infront of the ball.

[Leek]

Here's how- high spin ball...no NXT tour is not high enough spin, try a multi-layered Urethane covered ball (ie $40 and up per doxen- ProV1, Z-URC, B330S, etc), left wrist must be flat or even arched through impact. The trick is to have enough acceleration and clubhead speed while still controlling distance. This means a short, accelerating, firm swin with a strong downcock through impact. You must catch the ball cleanly and make the low point of the swing a few inches past the ball. As you learn it, it's a dangerous shot. If you lose the angle of your left wrist, or add some trailing hand to flip or hoist it, you'll hit it too far and probably get into trouble. This shot is as hard to control as a flop shot for most players.

Honestly, I think most of us are much better off learning a medium speed chip that runs out, along with a host of way less dangerous shots.

It's not that hard to learn the high spin low chip. All you need to do is learn to control it by practicing like a tour pro, meaning a full time job.

[Jack_2251]

Well I would try using a softer cover pro-v1, and a newer 60* wedge like a vokey SM, and then the technique is to trap the ball in between the ground and club and don't let it slide up the face too much.

[extremeld]

change your wedge, get your grooves done as often as the pros - each week some change wedges!

the sensation is almost like a thin, but not quite, any divot should be well after the ball and very shallow

got to accelerate hard and that takes a lot of confidence - so you need to practice it a lot if not just allow for the fact is going to roll!

k

[michaeljames92]

with my cg14 i may pitch from just off green and get it to bounce 2-3 times then basically stop. i think clean contact, sharp grooves and soft ball(e.g pro v1) all con tribute to making it happen