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A bit of a search here and on the web didn't turn anything up, so I figured I'd ask here. Why does no one advocate the under plane and then across the line Bobby Jones back swing? Sam Bennett does it a bit but he's self taught. Feels like most people's natural swing is to get steeper and hands closer to the ball on the transition. So why not teach being too shallow and too far from the ball on the backswing rather than more on plane and having to drop the hands and shallow on the way down?

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The fact that Bobby played with hickory shafts plays a role…

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22 hours ago, iacas said:

The fact that Bobby played with hickory shafts plays a role…

That was the one liner I saw when I searched! I can imagine how the different weight distribution and flex of the old club made the modern swing not work as well. But why does no one swing that way now?! Bennett makes a version of it work. It's not like you can't swing that way with modern clubs!

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Well hell…let’s do this properly!

 

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9 hours ago, Vinsk said:

Well hell…let’s do this properly!

 

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2 hours ago, boogielicious said:

You could totally rock those Plus 4s @Vinsk!

With a white belt….what a combo!!

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14 hours ago, mdl said:

But why does no one swing that way now?! Bennett makes a version of it work. It's not like you can't swing that way with modern clubs!

Because you don’t need to? Why add unnecessary movement in the swing?

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4 hours ago, billchao said:

Because you don’t need to? Why add unnecessary movement in the swing?

Right. My thought is what I tried to say above. My impression is that for most beginners the natural transition move is to get more steep and rotate the hands out towards the ball, setting up an OTT or super steep down swing if you learn the modern back swing. Jones' back swing made it correct to get steeper and rotate towards the ball in the transition, because he went back under plane and came to the top across the line. So to me it seems like the trade off isn't between more or less movement. It's more movement with an easier transition versus less movement with a – for most people – significantly harder to learn transition.

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3 hours ago, mdl said:

Right. My thought is what I tried to say above. My impression is that for most beginners the natural transition move is to get more steep and rotate the hands out towards the ball, setting up an OTT or super steep down swing if you learn the modern back swing. Jones' back swing made it correct to get steeper and rotate towards the ball in the transition, because he went back under plane and came to the top across the line. So to me it seems like the trade off isn't between more or less movement. It's more movement with an easier transition versus less movement with a – for most people – significantly harder to learn transition.

I don’t know. I feel like you’re kind of focusing on the wrong aspects of Jones’s move and neglecting the fact that the man was exceptionally talented at golf. Plenty of amateurs take the club back under plane and get across the line. The key difference is getting the downswing on a good plane, and to do it the way Jones did it is actually harder from that position. Jones shallowed the club pretty hard.

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23 hours ago, billchao said:

I don’t know. I feel like you’re kind of focusing on the wrong aspects of Jones’s move and neglecting the fact that the man was exceptionally talented at golf. Plenty of amateurs take the club back under plane and get across the line. The key difference is getting the downswing on a good plane, and to do it the way Jones did it is actually harder from that position. Jones shallowed the club pretty hard.

Ha. Good point about how lots of amateurs take it back under plane and then across the line and none of them hit it like Jones :-D

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