Weak Grip, Closing Club Face

[pinseekingdreams]

I was just listening to a podcast with a famous PGA Tpur coach and he talked about how if you have a weak grip, it's a good idea to have wrist flexion in order to close the face.

But this makes me think, couldn't you also close the face through rolling the arms coming into impact? I guess what you would call "early extension?"

Of course, I'd assume wrist flexion is a better way to close the clubface than rolling/early extension, I assume due to club face stability?

Just curious.

[klineka]

6 hours ago, pinseekingdreams said:

But this makes me think, couldn't you also close the face through rolling the arms coming into impact?

Just because you can do something doesn't mean it's optimal or the most efficient/repeatable way. Tiger can out drive people from his knees as he demonstrated in a YouTube video a few months ago, doesn't mean it's optimal or the most efficient.

 

6 hours ago, pinseekingdreams said:

I guess what you would call "early extension?"

My understanding of early extension was more of the body/torso standing up through impact, hips thrusting at the ball, etc. More of movement towards the ball and up rather than rotating. If I'm understanding what you are describing, you can close the face by rolling the arms through impact without early extending.

[pinseekingdreams]

43 minutes ago, klineka said:

Just because you can do something doesn't mean it's optimal or the most efficient/repeatable way. Tiger can out drive people from his knees as he demonstrated in a YouTube video a few months ago, doesn't mean it's optimal or the most efficient.

 

My understanding of early extension was more of the body/torso standing up through impact, hips thrusting at the ball, etc. More of movement towards the ball and up rather than rotating. If I'm understanding what you are describing, you can close the face by rolling the arms through impact without early extending.

That's basically my point, I'm not asking what is more effective, I'm just trying to learn more about matchups etc.

But good point about rolling the arms and not early extending.

I think (from what I know), that early extension is extending the arms too early, thus making you stand up (to create space for the arms extending).

But I could be wrong.

[iacas]

11 minutes ago, pinseekingdreams said:

I think (from what I know), that early extension is extending the arms too early, thus making you stand up (to create space for the arms extending).

No, what's commonly called "early extension" is the pelvis moving toward the golf ball and the upper body pulling back to some degree.

[pinseekingdreams]

5 minutes ago, iacas said:

No, what's commonly called "early extension" is the pelvis moving toward the golf ball and the upper body pulling back to some degree.

Okay that makes sense, and I take it early extension is typically caused by the shaft being too vertical during the downswing, which makes you ee?

 

[billchao]

8 hours ago, pinseekingdreams said:

But this makes me think, couldn't you also close the face through rolling the arms coming into impact?

Rolling the clubface closed can also shift the path more in, so for a person struggling with pulls and slices it’s actually not fixing anything.

[phillyk]

1 hour ago, pinseekingdreams said:

Okay that makes sense, and I take it early extension is typically caused by the shaft being too vertical during the downswing, which makes you ee?

 

I’d say it’s more caused by starting the swing with pressure too far into the heels. Another is a misunderstanding of body rotation on the backswing, as the lead knee bends forward to “fake” a hip turn. 
 

I wouldn’t recommend many people rolling the forearms. Although some people feel that, in order to feel the release of the clubhead to square it up for impact. 

[p1n9183]

For fade/slices around trees I use a weak grip. It make me early extends so I loose speed and present to much loft at impact. My stock draw goes 165 with 7 iron. With fades I only hit 160 with the 4 iron. Despite that, is pretty accurate. At least for me a double-cross is impossible and is really good when wind is pushing from rights to left. Used it at a stock shot for many years until I finally cracked a more neutral draw that is more reliable in most conditions.