The Stack and Tilt Golf Swing

[miami8miami]

Could the right knee be flexed too much in the downswing due to a lack of straightening in the backswing??

[Buster golf]

I've read a lot of posts on this site about the S&T swing and figured I'd chime in with my story. A few weeks ago I was really getting frustrated. My handicap was climbing past 16 and I started out the year an 11. I have all the usual books, been to some good teachers, was single digit and bla bla bla. I saw something somewhere on the web that mentioned S&T.; Long story short. I bought the book (kindle) right there. Figured what the heck. Read about half the book till I got what they where saying. Went to the range hit 90 balls all of them really solid with a draw. Next day I go out in a weekly foursome and laugh to my self that I'm only going to use my new S&T swing. I was even par after 12 and 2 over going into18. Missed a 4ft par putt and missed coming back for a 76. True story. I've ordered the new videos and will take a lesson once I find a teacher.

[lewisgl]

I have been interested in the Stack and Tilt fundamentals for a few years, bought the Stack and Tilt book several months ago and also have the CD's which were bought around 2 years ago.  I have used a more convention type swing since starting to play and I generally shifted away from the ball a little in the backswing, not a sway necessarily bur more of a shift, but maybe some sway got in there too. .  As I got older it seemed like this became a more difficult way to swing.     I tried the Stack and Tilt  briefly a few years ago, and didn't really have a very good understanding of it,,  and went back to the old swing until after getting Sean Foley's CD;s and seeing some of his online videos.   It seemed pretty clear that Foley shares some Stack and Tilt fundamentals,.  I have been using, or trying to use the Stack and Tilt type motion as best i can since around April of this year.  Over all it is working better than expected at this stage.  Was able to break 80 on some occasions already with this (handicap is about 7.8 right now, which is about what it was before taking up a Stack and Tilt type swing).   I hadn't been able to hit a draw with the more conventional swing for at least 5 years but since keeping more weight on the front foot I am now hitting quite a few draw type shots, and they are starting to get a little better than they were a few months ago, even a sweeper once in awhile now.  It didn't take long at all for draws to show up with this type of swing and man that felt good after seeing a lot of weak push fades!! ..  The driver accuracy has actually improved too, which has been a nice surprise,  and the driver was always somewhat of a struggle with the more conventional two plane type swing with the tendency to push.  Also noticing that the contact with the irons on the better shots has been a little higher on the face now than before.   Seeing some really nice things going on with this type of swing.

Having some trouble with consistency with this type of swing one would probably expect.  The misses are some pushes, and also some hooks and pull hooks.  There are some really  good ideas on fixes in these Stack and Tilt threads, from folks who understand this swing pretty well probably, and will be doing some reading on those.  I am VERY pleased with the progress with this swing so far.  I struggled for 5 or 6 years or more trying to learn to hit a draw again with the moire conventional swing and was about 99% unsuccessful with it, and to be able to start doing it almost straight away with a new swing was very much appreciated.  Now comes the part or trying to become more consistent by improving the misses.

[segagolf]

Stack and Tilt is a fad, and it is a lazy man's way to improve. Totally unnnatural, backwards, difficult, unhealthy, and only good for one thing...chipping. It ruins more swings than it helps...and will make you worse, than better.  Just keep your head still, while your lower body shifts side to side, with balance and with pivot. And for God's sakes, get rid of this Stack and Tilt fallacy, like another Aussie get-rich-scheme idea, like Natural Golf! It'll go away too.

[Mr. Desmond]

Originally Posted by seve

Stack and Tilt is a fad, and it is a lazy man's way to improve. Totally unnnatural, backwards, difficult, unhealthy, and only good for one thing...chipping. It ruins more swings than it helps...and will make you worse, than better.  Just keep your head still, while your lower body shifts side to side, with balance and with pivot. And for God's sakes, get rid of this Stack and Tilt fallacy, like another Aussie get-rich-scheme idea, like Natural Golf! It'll go away too.

Talk about being phallic...

[lewisgl]

Originally Posted by Mr. Desmond

Talk about being phallic...

LOL - Good One!!!

[iacas]

Originally Posted by seve

Stack and Tilt is a fad, and it is a lazy man's way to improve. Totally unnnatural, backwards, difficult, unhealthy, and only good for one thing...chipping. It ruins more swings than it helps...and will make you worse, than better.  Just keep your head still, while your lower body shifts side to side, with balance and with pivot. And for God's sakes, get rid of this Stack and Tilt fallacy, like another Aussie get-rich-scheme idea, like Natural Golf! It'll go away too.

It's okay that you don't understand it one little bit, seve.

It's not okay that you're on here demonstrating how poorly you understand it.

[nevets88]

I almost finished the new Stack and Tilt by the Numbers DVDs or rather, for me, video downloads and I have to say, to me, they are worth it. Should have pre-ordered, procrastinated.

For those who are on the brink, get it. There's a great review, an in-depth masterclass like detail of every aspect of the pattern, a section devoted to the driver, shaping the ball, drills and progressions of various students. I always wanted to attend a clinic with P&B;, but this is pretty close to being there. I also like how they didn't try to make their audio presentation overly polished.

I read the book, took lessons and read these forums but still got alot out of the video clinic. The one thing it has over all the other instruction video I've seen out there is proof of concept via Trackman and Shot Tracer. The overlays were cool too and I got to see what the AMM device looks like. I'm going to put the denser, detailed parts on my smartphone.

So when are the 5SK videos coming out?

[segagolf]

FYI, I have studied numerous programs...from Maximum Golf, Power Golf, Fit Fore Golf, Natural Golf (Aussieland), Natural Golf (Moe), Square to Square (and everything including every great and profess-to-be great author from Harry Vardon to de la Torre, from Homer Kelley to Jim Flick, and mainly the CPGA and USGA Teaching Manuals. And this one takes the cake...so sorry you have to teach this....!

Seve

[segagolf]

Is that where you dug your info. from? Phallic research...you're going down, too!

[Mr. Desmond]

Originally Posted by seve

Is that where you dug your info. from? Phallic research...you're going down, too!

You keep on proving you phallic-sy.

:-)

[Leftygolfer]

Originally Posted by seve

Is that where you dug your info. from? Phallic research...you're going down, too!

Not one thing you posted has added anything.  You really are a piece of.....work.  Lets see your move in another post.  Sure you got some video being a scratch player.  Check out iacas thread on his swing.  Man, it is horrid.  He can't hit it solid at all.

[Mr. Desmond]

Originally Posted by seve

FYI, I have studied numerous programs...from Maximum Golf, Power Golf, Fit Fore Golf, Natural Golf (Aussieland), Natural Golf (Moe), Square to Square (and everything including every great and profess-to-be great author from Harry Vardon to de la Torre, from Homer Kelley to Jim Flick, and mainly the CPGA and USGA Teaching Manuals. And this one takes the cake...so sorry you have to teach this....!

Seve

And we're sorry you're posting like a troll.

:-)

I guess Tiger, who has gone more to a center-pivot swing under Foley (i.e. with many elements of S&T;), and many other pros who have placed elements of Stack & Tilt into their swing, are crying all the way to the bank.

As golfers, we have many ways to swing a golf club - it's about finding the swing that works best for you.

Good luck in your continuing study of the golf swing.

[bwdial]

Originally Posted by seve

FYI, I have studied numerous programs...from Maximum Golf, Power Golf, Fit Fore Golf, Natural Golf (Aussieland), Natural Golf (Moe), Square to Square (and everything including every great and profess-to-be great author from Harry Vardon to de la Torre, from Homer Kelley to Jim Flick, and mainly the CPGA and USGA Teaching Manuals. And this one takes the cake...so sorry you have to teach this....!

Seve

Patrick?

[Mr. Desmond]

Originally Posted by bwdial

Patrick?

My response, too.

:-)

Like a jilted lover, a guy who just can't let go...

[Stillaplayer]

Originally Posted by Rob

I always look at the "stack and tilt pro`s?" and I don`t see them on the weekends{PGA} So,BS.IMO.

Really? Some stack and tilt pro's - Sergio, Rory, Tiger.

Not arguing with you, just an observation.

[iacas]

Really? Some stack and tilt pro's - Sergio, Rory, Tiger. Not arguing with you, just an observation.

Those aren't S&T pros. They have some of the components, but so does every PGA Tour player.

[outlaw1984]

More like JJ Henry, Brad Faxon, Charlie Wi....

but as Erik stated every one of these guys has some of the elements from s&t; in their swing, whether it be straightening the back leg (BUBBA) or the downward shoulder turn (almost everyone on tour) or even the weight forward (like Erik showed almost everyone does this on tour)

so yea Rickie, Tiger, and Rory do some these moves but to be officially stack and tilt people not hardly, Tiger is more Sean Foley ( which puts a lot of emphasis on S&T), Rory has the downward shoulder at p4 so yea he shows some of it....

Its nothing new....its just that the past didnt have a way to decribe what they were doing by feel.......but theres proof that most of all players on tour past or present have done some kind of move to make it look like Stack and Tilt....

I think mostly the back leg....which i questioned all along whether is needed to stay flex or not....i went to so many pros and they said keep the same flexion...and id come home and watch Vijay Singh and he didnt do so why does he want me to do it.....

Anyway i could rant on and on but i thought i would key in on this