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Mickelson, Harrington, Daly using PING wedges for grooves. Unfair advantage?


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Callaway said that Phil's Ping 64-deg spun 25% more than an equivalent new groove wedge. For a pro, that's significant.

Phil was careful to point out that it was just for the 64° wedge. He said the spin was the same with his other wedges - that's why he only put the one into his bag. He said above 60° the new grooves won't catch the ball quite like the old ones will.

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I dont think we would really notice a difference between the ping with the old grooves, and say a vokey with the new grooves, but the pros might see a slight difference.

of course you'd notice. have you ever hit old wedges that didn't have u-grooves? the ball comes off like a freaking knuckle ball and flies over the green. if you took a v wedge and a u wedge and tried to hit them both out of the same lie in wet rough, i guarantee you'll see the difference. especially if you come at the ball shallow.


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of course you'd notice. have you ever hit old wedges that didn't have u-grooves? the ball comes off like a freaking knuckle ball and flies over the green. if you took a v wedge and a u wedge and tried to hit them both out of the same lie in wet rough, i guarantee you'll see the difference. especially if you come at the ball shallow.

I posted video several months ago that showed the effects of hitting sand wedges with and without the 2010 grooves. The differences weren't quite as much as you seem to imply. It's in the "new grooves" thread.

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Man, there's so many people on TV mentioning "ping", I keep looking in the canal out back...



And expecting that to appear.

Four guys in the field using them, but so much ruckus.


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I posted video several months ago that showed the effects of hitting sand wedges with and without the 2010 grooves. The differences weren't quite as much as you seem to imply. It's in the "new grooves" thread.

I was going through the new grooves thread anyway so,

here is the aforementioned video .

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I was going through the new grooves thread anyway so,

Thanks. I'll just embed it:

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Why did there seem to be so many "flyers" out of the rough this past weekend, or where the announcers just looking for opportunities to bring the topic back up?

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Paddy's lame. He should just have the balls to use them if he wants. Phil did.

And look where that got phil......

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At least Phil used them to make a statement and has put them away for now.

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At least Phil used them to make a statement and has put them away for now.

he put them away because everybody was calling him a cheater.

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How do you know?

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How do you know?

I should have said "he prob put them away because everbody was calling him a cheater"

But if I was him I'd have put away the wedge. It isn't worth all the hassle.

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They have a couple EBAY auctions with the grandfathered Eye 2 wedges ... it'll be interesting to see what they ultimately go for.

I've followed this auction and it's up to $405 for 3 grandfathered Eye 2 wedges ... smh

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does anyone know if some clubmakers will make non-conforming irons and wedges for the average hacker? its against the rules for tournament play but for those who dont play in sanctioned events and who want the big grooves will they be able to find them? its not like it will be against the law to make them or sell them.

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does anyone know if some clubmakers will make non-conforming irons and wedges for the average hacker? its against the rules for tournament play but for those who dont play in sanctioned events and who want the big grooves will they be able to find them? its not like it will be against the law to make them or sell them.

Yeah, some do. Malyby makes a club called the "shredder", it has huge, non-conforming (even to the old standards) grooves, and a rough surface. It shreds golf balls to bits too.


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Yeah, some do. Malyby makes a club called the "shredder", it has huge, non-conforming (even to the old standards) grooves, and a rough surface. It shreds golf balls to bits too.

The site garentees that the cover will get shredded on full shots.

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what about a legit bigger name company like cleveland or callaway putting out two versions of a wedge, a conforming one for the ones who want or need it, and one for the hackers like me who dont care about the change and just want a new wedge after 2010 that has the same grooves as before, and dont want to buy a maltby or some other "fringe" brand?

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what about a legit bigger name company like cleveland or callaway putting out two versions of a wedge, a conforming one for the ones who want or need it, and one for the hackers like me who dont care about the change and just want a new wedge after 2010 that has the same grooves as before, and dont want to buy a maltby or some other "fringe" brand?

I don't think Maltby - or other "fringe" brands - are going to be making a large amount of non-conforming wedges either.

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