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The commercials always say something like, "you want extra distance and forgiveness, this is what we try provide with our crappy ass A07-355 something or other OS irons." "Hey....they may be ugly and heavy as a brick but your sloppy swing can hit them so far off center that it doesn't matter."

Does anyone really want or believe an extremely large and heavy giant cavity back will help their crappy, inadequate swing? The last thing I want is a false sense of security that a OS cavity back provides.

Who buys this crap?

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Well, beginners and high handicappers. I don't see the problem really. If this helps getting more people out to play golf and actually enjoy golf, great. They won't be hitting the ball well for a long time in any case, so why not play with OS irons so they can enjoy it at the same time?

There are clubs on the market for everyone, if you don't like them, don't buy them.

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I don't buy them. The problem is, I and many others get stuck behind so many hackers with their cavity back clubs that zig zag all the fairways all day long. The OS CB club is counter productive. It kinda allows for laziness and sloppy aim. I shot like this myself for 3 years with CB clubs until I bit the bullet and taught myself to hit the ball using Titleist 690.mb's. I wish someone had smacked me upside the head and forced me to hit a club that makes you focus and hit small. I wasted 3 years cheating myself by hitting CB's.

CB's work just fine for people that can already hit consistantly but they don't work well to get beginners or high handicappers to hitting well. They just mask poor swings. If you're new to the game, don't waste time on an easy to hit club. Eventually, you will want to consistantly hit the center of the club face. Start with a difficult to hit blade iron and learn to make contact and then once you make good contact, then go with any club you want.
  Zeph said:
Well, beginners and high handicappers. I don't see the problem really. If this helps getting more people out to play golf and actually enjoy golf, great. They won't be hitting the ball well for a long time in any case, so why not play with OS irons so they can enjoy it at the same time?

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Adams Speedline 3W 13*
TourEdge Bazooka 20* hybrid
Powerbilt forged combo 3-PW
Ping Tour S 52 and 56 wedges


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Yeah I can totally understand why a golf company would want to stay away from clubs that mask swing flaws and make a straight shot out of a bad swing. For people who really want to improve their swing in hopes of making the tour someday, I guess you may want to at least practice with some less forgiving irons to get better feedback. But it's a fact, in my experience, that more forgiving irons mean lower scores for almost all amatuers.

I'm a 7 handicap who recently went from tour-style irons to super-game-improvement X-18s, and I've taken at least 3-4 shots per round off my score. I love having the extra forgiveness. I'm not trying to make the PGA Tour, so hitting the ball "correctly" or "not masking a swing flaw" isn't nearly as important to me as the 76 I just shot that would've been an 80 with my previous less-forgiving irons.

I'm not an Adams fan club member, but they make some of the best, most forgiving, most affordable cavity back irons available. I happen to really like their A7 line, which isn't cavity back, but I've hit plenty of their CB irons also and haven't seen any that I disliked very much. And to disagree with you one more time, I really like the look of their clubs too, especially their irons.

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I wouldn't knock Adams. They are finally realizing that not everyone wants 5 hybrids, and their Speedline series drivers are really really underrated. The Speedline fairway woods aren't that great, but the drivers are very good. The A7 putters is pretty solid too, if you want an insert.

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  schigara said:
If you're new to the game, don't waste time on an easy to hit club. Eventually, you will want to consistantly hit the center of the club face. Start with a difficult to hit blade iron and learn to make contact and then once you make good contact, then go with any club you want.

My thoughts exactly. I am in no way a great golfer, but because I didn't know anything about golf I started with lessons. Then I bought clubs, I was fortunate to find a set of stainless steel Spaulding Elites (blades) for $75 That was back in the 80's. CB clubs were hot sellers then but way out of my price range. That gave me no choice but to hit the Elites, so I did and I think I hit them well. I left golf for a long time but when I came back last year I tried CB clubs (Ping Eye2+) and I could hit them fine but something just felt wrong. Distances were off from what I remembered with the Elites of course but the feel was really different the smoothness wasn't there(clunky). So I dug the blades out and wow the difference was amazing. It felt good enough for me to recommit to golf. I joined this forum and learned volumes of things I had not realized before. Now eight months into my return I upgraded my blades, the Elites are retired making way for a set of Mizuno MP-68s. I posted about my upgrade here on TST and I was told by someone that I shouldn't have my new clubs, they are for LHC players not someone like me with a 20+HC.

Now to the point of this post, CB supporters are not only happy in their swing mediocracy, some want to enforce it. All of us have mediocre aspects of our game and that is why we are not PGA members. But I don't read about HHC players being relegated to high loft drivers only or only mallet putters. I have nothing against Adams clubs I bought a set of Tight Lies for my 13yr old grandsons first set. He's a lefty and I couldn't find some blades for the right price. but you can bet I will find some if he really takes a liking to the game. I believe new young players should start with blades, if they do most will not be happy later with CBs. So I agree with shigara, but it's the majority of advertising by club makers not just Adams that sends the novice the CB message, IMHO. They sell a lot of clubs though. I wonder how many tour players started with blades and not CBs?

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I don't get what people have against clubs that help you enjoy the game. Like patriot07 said, not everyone is trying to become a scratch handicapper, actually most people get out 5 times a year and want to be able to have fun golfing, and CB's help them do that. IMO, scoring in golf is all about the short game anyway, getting to the green in two is the easy part, and it doesn't matter if you're swing looks good while you do it.
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I agree that hitting a less forgiving club as beginner would be benefitial, but we'll have to consider the aspect of a player having fun and wanting to play more golf. The better results a player experience early on, the better chance this person would keep playing golf. If I had the knowledge I got today before I started golf, I would probably not start out with a CB set. Still, I know it would not have been as fun. I've had my ups and downs, the times when I couldn't hit a ball well to save my life were not fun.

From the aspect of a beginner, their goal may not be to get much better at golf in the beginning. They start because they want to try it or because someone dragged them along. When starting something new, it's important you can have fun with it and not get too technical right away. I believe the forgiveness part is overrated as far as beginners. With the proper instruction, they can play any club really.

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  Zeph said:
I agree that hitting a less forgiving club as beginner would be benefitial, but we'll have to consider the aspect of a player having fun and wanting to play more golf. The better results a player experience early on, the better chance this person would keep playing golf. ...

You start off on target, but then you drift onto shaky ground. Proper swing technique determines how well a person hits the ball. But, a person needs above-average coordination and strength to hit so-call

players clubs with stiffer shafts. If I switch to Callaway X Forged Prototype irons with DynGold X100 high-kick shafts, I simply won't play well. I have about 85 mph clubhead speed with my driver, and a midkick regular shaft is what I need to get the ball to the best height with woods or iron. The X20s go a little high in the short irons, but the X20s would serve me better than the blade Protos with the stiff+ shaft. The laws of physics work against the idea that - with proper instruction and practice - a golfer can hit any club .

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I agree and disagree... If you are serious about golf learning how to play with blades will allow you to play anything in the future. The problem is I'd say 85% of people who start playing golf anymore just go straight to the course and play. Not a lot of people truly practice at the range a couple times then work themselves onto a course. I remember when I started my dad had me at the range 8-10 times than took me to a par 3 course 5 times until he finally let me go play 9 at a local course. Don't get me wrong there is a lot of people who do take the time to improve their game. There's just way too many people who would be adams target consumers who show up at the course with a buddy and it's the first time they've ever swung a club. They play every saturday and never practice so they would never become a decent golfer so adams targets them with this line of clubs. I will say that the speedline driver, hybrids, and some irons are all very nice clubs.
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  schigara said:
The commercials always say something like, "you want extra distance and forgiveness, this is what we try provide with our crappy ass A07-355 something or other OS irons." "Hey....they may be ugly and heavy as a brick but your sloppy swing can hit them so far off center that it doesn't matter."

Adams clubs are stupid easy to hit though and theyre great for people who are new to the game or who dont have the time to devote to perfecting their swing. Id rathar have companies like Adams make huge, oversized clubs that are still give a decent result with a swing that is far from perfect than to have people be forced to try to play well with muscleback blades, get frustrated and give up on the game.

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  enis750 said:
the new Adams CB series irons look friggen amazing

And they are. I got to demo them, and the feel is great.

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You know? Not everyone is as into golf as we are. We sit on this forum, talking about it. We think about it in the off hours. We spend hours at the range, on the practice green, and in the gym, improving our ability to play golf. Other people are out of shape, maybe play once or twice a month, might hit he range one other time per month. There are also beginners, who are getting clubs because they've been to the range with their friends and enjoyed it, but want to be able to go out with their friends and not shoot 180. These clubs are fantastic for such people, and without these clubs, there would be a lot fewer people playing golf.

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  WUTiger said:
You start off on target, but then you drift onto shaky ground. Proper swing technique determines how well a person hits the ball. But, a person needs above-average coordination and strength to hit so-call

I said play with any club, not any shaft. That means playing with the shaft that fits your swing and with any kind of club head. You don't need strength to hit a golf ball properly, you need good impact position. I can hit a little chip or punch with a 3i blade if I want and it will still feel as smooth as hitting a full swing cavity back. The descending strike and impact position of the face of the club is what makes the difference.

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