Tips to Increase Spin With the Wedge.

[Backspinalot]

Here are things you need and want to increase spin around the greens and with full wedge shots.

Equipment : The number one thing you need is a good golf ball. I will list the golf balls made by each company that produce the most spin:

Bridgestone: almost any one of the B330's spin great,
Callaway: Tour i/I] [s] or whatever that one is called.
Srixon: Z-StarX.
Taylormade: TP Black, TP Red. PentaTP or something like that is decent too.
Titleist: ProV1x is IMO highest spinning ball.
Nike: One Tour

Please tell me any other I am missing.

Wedge, you need clean grooves. Dont even waiste the money on a high quality wedge if you are buying it for the spin if you aren't going to maintain clean grooves, this is not hard to accomplish luckily. If your grooves have grass and debris caked on them right now, put the face under warm water while scrubbing with cloth. If there is junk in the grooves, take a golf tee and scrape it out while the club is still under warm water. After your wedge is clean wipe the face off after every shot and the wedge stays perfectly clean. Let it built up, and it is harder and hard to clean.

Next, you need a good wedge, I find the Titleist Vokey spin milled wedges spin the best and have the best feel. Other companies are not far from the Vokey's at all though so you don't need to buy a Vokey. I have spun the Nike's very well, Taylor mades, Clevelands... as long as you have a blade forged wedge you are basically set. I also strongly reccomend against excessivly hitting range balls with soft metal wedges. It doesn't do much but the milling on the face of wedges other than Nike's wheres out. This happens because range balls covers are like rock, Scratches the face. Make sure you are using correct bounce angle also, if you are hitting from tight fairways, but don't take big divots, get low bounce. If you are hitting from softer fairways and take huge divots, get higher angle bounce. The bounce angle is on the club. I use a 60 degree loft-04 degree bounce. More bounce is good for hitting from sand though. I bought my 56 degree for hitting out of sand, so I bought it with high bounce.

Swing

You need good solid ball striking and swinging on plain and must be able to pick the golf ball clean with no grass or debris between the ball and the club upon impact. If you hit a crisp shot and it seems to go with a lower trajectory then normal. You have hit a great, solid wedge shot and with a lot of spin. Don't worry this takes a lot of practice to perfect.

Do not try to swing the wedge as hard as you can when you are trying to produce back spin, leave that for the driver. All this does greatly decreases consistency and solidness. I good tempo, smooth swing is what you need. It greatly increases your chances of hitting it solid and increases consistency. I also hear people say to come down on it and hit it with a steeper swing. This may work for the big taller guys but does not have to do with people 5 feet to 5 feet 8 or so. I see people practicing their wedge and taking huge divots and hitting the ball fat. You don't need to hack down on the ball, this does nothing, swing normally and as long as you aren't brushing the grass excessively, I mean like 2-3 inches before striking the ball. Dont worry about it.

I have also found you need to not be cutting down across the ball, hitting a slice basically. You need to swing on plain or you will not spin it with full potential.

You also need a good lie. The better the lie, the cleaner the contact is. It is extremely hard to spin the ball when you have a bad lie, even in the fairway sometimes.

go to the practice green if you can hit up to full wedge shots (even half wedge shots can still spin a surprising amount) and practice what I told you. If you don't have a practise green like that. Drop a couple balls out into the fairway at the distance you can swing smooth and still get it to the green assuming no one is waiting to hit their shot behind you, remember, clean grooves, good ball, good lie, good swing.


Hope I could help, good luck.

[JUST]

Good info, thanks

[iacas]

Titleist: ProV1x is IMO highest spinning ball.

The Pro V1 spins more than the Pro V1x.

[Backspinalot]

The ProV1 may have a higher trajectory and stop a little bit easier, but the ProV1X does indeed have more spin. The ProV1 has a higher trajectory though because you compress the core more than the cover. But if you ever hit a crisp shot with a 1X and it seems to go lower, it has a lot of spin because you compress the cover more because of the frimer core.

[GaijinGolfer]

Here are things you need and want to increase spin around the greens and with full wedge shots.

Theres so much bad advice and misinformation in the above post that I dont even know where to start. If youre planning on becoming an instructor/golf pro, I wouldnt suggest quitting your day job any time soon.

[James_Black]

The ProV1 may have a higher trajectory and stop a little bit easier, but the ProV1X does indeed have more spin. The ProV1 has a higher trajectory though because you compress the core more than the cover. But if you ever hit a crisp shot with a 1X and it seems to go lower, it has a lot of spin because you compress the cover more because of the frimer core.

pro V1x is designed to have less spin on approach shots than the Pro V1.

[iacas]

The ProV1 may have a higher trajectory and stop a little bit easier, but the ProV1X does indeed have more spin. The ProV1 has a higher trajectory though because you compress the core more than the cover. But if you ever hit a crisp shot with a 1X and it seems to go lower, it has a lot of spin because you compress the cover more because of the frimer core.

You're wrong. Pro V1 has a lower launch angle than Pro V1x and spins more than Pro V1x.

[jamo]

Here are things you need and want to increase spin around the greens and with full wedge shots.

So, you just listed all of the major OEM's spinnier ball. Except the ProV1X. It is not the spinnier ball, and if I had access to a launch monitor I could prove you wrong. Titleist did not market the 1X as the less spinny ball without testing it on a monitor. Not to mention you listed all of Taylor Made's tour level balls.

Please tell me any other I am missing.

So are you offering advice or looking for our advice?

Next, you need a good wedge, I find the Titleist Vokey spin milled wedges spin the best and have the best feel. Other companies are not far from the Vokey's at all though so you don't need to buy a Vokey. I have spun the Nike's very well, Taylor mades, Clevelands... as long as you have a blade forged wedge you are basically set. I also strongly reccomend against excessivly hitting range balls with soft metal wedges. It doesn't do much but the milling on the face of wedges other than Nike's wheres out. This happens because range balls covers are like rock, Scratches the face. Make sure you are using correct bounce angle also, if you are hitting from tight fairways, but don't take big divots, get low bounce. If you are hitting from softer fairways and take huge divots, get higher angle bounce. The bounce angle is on the club. I use a 60 degree loft-04 degree bounce. More bounce is good for hitting from sand though. I bought my 56 degree for hitting out of sand, so I bought it with high bounce.

I don't think Nike's wear any more than Vokeys or Clevelands, except maybe because they are forged.

Also, in the last thread you started, you said you were looking for a wedge that spun the ball the most. Now you have the answers?

Swing

You don't want to pick the ball clean for increased spin. You want to hit down on the ball and take a divot in front of it. Hitting down on the ball with give you the most spin.

Do not try to swing the wedge as hard as you can when you are trying to produce back spin, leave that for the driver. All this does greatly decreases consistency and solidness. I good tempo, smooth swing is what you need. It greatly increases your chances of hitting it solid and increases consistency. I also hear people say to come down on it and hit it with a steeper swing. This may work for the big taller guys but does not have to do with people 5 feet to 5 feet 8 or so. I see people practicing their wedge and taking huge divots and hitting the ball fat. You don't need to hack down on the ball, this does nothing, swing normally and as long as you aren't brushing the grass excessively, I mean like 2-3 inches before striking the ball. Dont worry about it.

Technically speaking, the harder you swing, the more spin you will produce, assuming contact is the same. Everyone needs to find their own line where they can swing hard without losing accuracy.

[Backspinalot]

You don't want to pick the ball clean for increased spin. You want to hit down on the ball and take a divot in front of it. Hitting down on the ball with give you the most spin. Tell me why? I see a lot of guys trying to produce backspin taking monstrous divots and hitting their shots fat trying to hit down on the ball. If you have a good lie in the fairway, do a smooth normal swing assuring you a greater chance to make clean contact on the ball. In a not-so-good lie you may want to hit down on the ball, not for more spin but to avoid blading or hitting it thin.


Technically speaking, the harder you swing, the more spin you will produce, assuming contact is the same. Everyone needs to find their own line where they can swing hard without losing accuracy.


Yes, true. Your chances of making a perfect clean strike when you swing as hard as you can, dwindle to almost nothing. A smoother swing is a lot more consistent.

I don't think Nike's wear any more than Vokeys or Clevelands, except maybe because they are forged. I said the milling on Titleists, Cleveland's and TaylorMade's wedges wear out faster when you hit range balls and just in general. Nike's don't have milling to wear out.

The Pro V1 spins more than the Pro V1x. I strongly disagree, Golf Digest stated the ProV1x spins more than the ProV1. E-mail Titleist, ask for a ball guru, and ask which one spins more. I too have tested that for myself, found the ProV1 has a higher trajectory and less spin than the ProV1x, The ProV1x when struck solidly had a lower trajectory and more backspin.

So are you offering advice or looking for our advice? I felt I was missing some brand of golf ball in my list that I did not mention so I said that.

Theres so much bad advice and misinformation in the above post that I dont even know where to start. If youre planning on becoming an instructor/golf pro, I wouldnt suggest quitting your day job any time soon.

Where in the post is hard to understand? I am pretty sure a normal person can understand what I posted.

And no, not most of my information is bad. You are saying the Precept Lady's spin more than ProV1? Kepp your grooves dirty and caked with grass for optimal spin? Take monstrous divots for most spin? Use the Wal-mart Special wedge maybe?

I don't think most or even a lot of that info I posted is incorrect. It is based off of what I know after demoing wedges, trying golf balls. Even the head pro said I went out to the practice green more than any other member last year combined.

[iacas]

The Pro V1 spins more than the Pro V1x.

Give it up. You're wrong. I've talked to Titleist's ball guys for hours. I've conducted interviews with them, I've been to their manufacturing facility, I've known them for years and have met them personally several times.

Please learn to use quoting properly.

[jamo]

You don't want to pick the ball clean for increased spin. You want to hit down on the ball and take a divot in front of it. Hitting down on the ball with give you the most spin.

Because if you take a divot in front of the ball it is impossible to hit it fat.

The Pro V1 spins more than the Pro V1x.

I would like to see this article from Golf Digest. The below picture I got straight from

http://www.titleist.com/ballfitting/app/ . If you want you can go find it for yourself. It clearly states that the ProV1 spins more.

And no, not most of my information is bad. You are saying the Precept Lady's spin more than ProV1? Kepp your grooves dirty and caked with grass for optimal spin? Take monstrous divots for most spin? Use the Wal-mart Special wedge maybe?

I don't think anyone mentioned the Precept Lady's, did they? Demoing balls and playing a lot will tell you nothing if you don't have actual facts.

[Fatphil]

Tell the old story again bout the guy who approaches Ben Hogan and asks: "Mr Hogan how do I stop my 7i on the green" Hogan replys: "how far do u hit your 7i" Guys answers: "about 120",,,Hogan responds: "why the F...do you want to learn how to stop it?"

[Zeph]

The "V1x spins more than V1" comes from the Golf Magazine test, where the V1x measures 12299 rpm vs 11914 for the V1. Contradicting both Titleist and every other test of those two balls, so I would not put too much effort into the subject. It's already been discussed here: http://thesandtrap.com/forum/threads...de-information

[James_Black]

The "V1x spins more than V1" comes from the Golf Magazine test, where the V1x measures 12299 rpm vs 11914 for the V1. Contradicting both Titleist and every other test of those two balls, so I would not put too much effort into the subject. It's already been discussed here:

But that's at SS of 90 mph.

The difference occurs in faster SS

[Teddy]

If for a moment, we assume the ball is normal and does nothing to improve/descrease spin.

Now I have an approach shot with a perfect lie, if i wanted the ball to stop. Just simply speaking you'd need just enough back spin to stop the ball after contact, since all greens are different there cant be an exact answer to the amount of spin needed.

With that in mind what are the mechanics for hitting a loft shot with enough spin to make the ball stop when it hits the ground. The second part of the question is how do you control the spin?

What part of the ball are you aiming to hit and how open would you have a 56 degree lofted club?

Sorry, for the couple questions, but I'm kinda confused since the first post has been said to not have posted teh correct into.

[mdl]

Just cause the subject of this thread reminded me. I saw Harrington on playing lessons with the pros once. He had a nice easy recommendation I liked. He said when he wants a lot of spin, really trying to get the ball to stop, he sets up with his weight well forward and keeps it there during his whole swing. Basically a route to the increased steepness others have mentioned is what you want. He was doing it to an extreme that he almost got that action where you hit so steep that your club basically stops right after you hit the ball.

They cut out to a shot of him using this technique in a tournament where the ball came out quite low and looking hot, and the announcer sounded surprised and impressed when the ball bit super hard on the second bounce and finished near the cup instead of skittering off the green like you might have thought from the flight path of the ball.

[Backspinalot]

I find that interesting. I can spin the ball like so without coming down on it, or leaning forward. Just a smooth solid hit right on the sweet spot with no debris is really IMHO all you need for backspin, other than the equipment (wedge, ball, grooves) ect. I have tested the hitting down on the ball method because I looked up many tips from golf coaches and that is what they all say for more spin. I have tried and tried this method, I still find my spin comes from even a brush and no divot in the ground. The ball maintains its low, solid flight path. I know immediatly how the ball will react on the green by the feel of contact when the ball strikes the wedge and the flight path. Maybe it is because I am smaller and have a slower swing speed? I don't know but that is my perception of it.

[max power]

Clean clubs and spinny balls-no revelations there. And swing advice that flies in the face of convention and science based on your swing? I'll pass.