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i play the MP-60 and i LOVE them, if i were going to buy a new set of irons i would buy the same irons!

Just wondering on everybody's definition of "blades." I've always used the term "blades" and "muscle backs" interchangeably and would not have considered the MP 60s and clubs like it blades but rather slight cavity backs... Am I wrong?

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Funny how everyone who answered yes is either Titleist or Mizuno.

I play the Taylormade RAC TP MB Smoke's...so I can be the odd man out :P But if I had the choice of another set, it would probably be Mizuno or the VR TW Forged blades (tried them at a demo day last year and loved everything but the price :P)

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I really, really, really want my next set to be blades. But, neck, arm and hand problems make any "stingers" a serious problem so most likely another set of game improvement irons is in my future. Maybe a set of Diablo forged, or something like that. Mizuno MP-57s or Callaway X forged might be the most aggressive I can be with my clubs in trying to get a blade.

At time it gets me down. Then I realize most of the pros don't use full blades and it makes me feel better. IF we are honest, most of us shouldn't be using blades based on our games. However, everyone has the right to use what they want, and I would NEVER presume to tell someone what they should, or shouldn't play.

It is probably good for me, and my doctor that I've sworn off ever using blades. Still, I get that twinge whenever I head to Golf Galaxy and the pro there isn't helping.

For those of you using them, all I can say is I am jealous!

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I'm a lefty, I use the Titleist 731 PM's

A combination cavity back/blade set that I love.

The 3-4-5 are cavity backs and the 6 and below are blade/muscleback combos.

A nice set. I've used everything from Cleveland TA3 gunmetal irons to Callaway X-18's when I stopped playing regularily.

I love the Titleists.

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would the irons in ping's s line be considered blades? I'm pretty sure they are. not positivethough

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would the irons in ping's s line be considered blades? I'm pretty sure they are. not positivethough

I'd still call them cavity backs, but of the entire Ping line they are the most like a blade.

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would the irons in ping's s line be considered blades? I'm pretty sure they are. not positivethough

Some of their irons have been fairly bladelike, but when people think blades they're typically referring to a muscleback or an iron without perimeter weighting. Ironically their "blades" series was not even remotely a blade in my opinion.

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I'd still call them cavity backs, but of the entire Ping line they are the most like a blade.

The simple answer would be no..... but some Ping fanboi's would love to tell you other wise :P

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There are a lot of threads here about blades vs cavity backs, which blades are most forgiving, etc. Just wondering how many people here actually play blades?

As you can see by my signature I play a forged cavity back but I have a set of Wilson FG51's that I will play with for several rounds a year. I really enjoy playing them, you have to be on your game. The only problem is they are "old scholl" lofts, 50 degree PW, 46 degree 9I, 42 degree 8I and so on. I have never really taken the time to get distance for each club, so that makes playing with them a little difficult. However, nothing is better for pitching and chipping then a true forged wedge/9 iron.

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Just wondering on everybody's definition of "blades." I've always used the term "blades" and "muscle backs" interchangeably and would not have considered the MP 60s and clubs like it blades but rather slight cavity backs... Am I wrong?

I agree. Some people call my ZB's blades, but they are far from it!

edit......I guess you could possibly call the ZB 8-pw a blade??

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I used to. After about half a year of looking like an ass on the course, I've changed.

Come to think about it, I have yet to see any player doing very well or take full advantages of blade irons, other than a few pros on TV. I rarely shape my shots and I still miss the sweet spot once in a while, so I don't need blades.

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ANY cavity at all, or any more alterations to the back of the clubhead larger than the Titleist Z cut into whatever those are called (ZM??) equals - NOT a blade. I did not even know Ping made an investment cast, perimeter weighted, no ferrule monstrosity with the words "Ping Blade" on it. That's damn funny.........

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I practice with some old sam snead blades at the range or for practice rounds.

I wouldn't play in a competition with them though.

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Just moved from cavity to Callaway X Forged, they are not true blades due to some nice weighting but still look fantastic behind the ball and the feel when you hit them is so much nicer than cavities.

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I just bought a set of Titleist 695 MB. I've played 27 holes and hit a small bucket. I don't know if it's a 'honeymoon' phase but I feel like I have made some great shots. I REALLY like these things. Today I hit a 3 iron off the tee - playing thru a group - and I outddrove all four of them, dead center of the FW.

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I play Titleist 755 which aren't blades but I have a 6-9 iron in the MP 67 that I practice with and the pured shots are so much softer with the Mizunos. The Mizunos are also alot easier to work as well, though I am very inconsistent in that area and tend to only do it at the range. Anyways once I get my handicap down below 10 I'll be looking at the MP 68 or the blades that replace them when they come out next fall. (MP69's?)

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I play Titleist 755 which aren't blades but I have a 6-9 iron in the MP 67 that I practice with and the pured shots are so much softer with the Mizunos. The Mizunos are also alot easier to work as well, though I am very inconsistent in that area and tend to only do it at the range. Anyways once I get my handicap down below 10 I'll be looking at the MP 68 or the blades that replace them when they come out next fall. (MP69's?)

That's the MP we've all been waiting for.

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I have played with mp33 for 5 years now, 5 - PW is in my bag. I love the feel, look, feedback and have played my best rounds of golf with these irons. -3 & par

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