Implementing Pieces of Stack & Tilt

[Harmonious]

S&T is nothing more than a collection of pieces that the best players do. So it's no surprise that 80 or 90% of the swing is seen in EVERY PGA Tour player. It's just a different set of things... If there are six (there are more than six, I just don't want to type everything out) then player A might do 1, 2, 3, 5, and 6 while player B might do 1, 3, 4, and 5 and C might do 3, 4, 5, and 6.

We are probably saying the same thing, but in different ways. I agree that attaching a name to the S&T "method" immediately brings a reaction - pro or con - from people. I have no direct knowledge of S&T, I only know it from this website and those God-awful commercials on the Golf Channel. Perhaps I have a prototype S&T swing and don't even know it.

The point that I was trying to make is that S&T method does not have a monopoly on good swings. One could probably make the argument that the same good swings which incorporate 80% of S&T also incorporate 80% of Peter Kostis' or David Leadbetter's or Jim McLean's philosophies. Now as far as the videos, I couldn't identify either one by their swing, but there are few guys on tour who can pull off the white shoes/white pants combo.

[boogielicious]

The best part of the S&T method for me is the systematic approach. If I'm struggling with something in my swing, I can rebuild it step by step on the course or range and fix it quickly. Also, because the method helps you understand ball flight, it tells you exactly what was happening at impact. If it's a straight push, my club face was square to swing path at impact with inside out path. Over draw, my hands did not go inside enough on the backswing and my path wasn't inside out, etc.

I don't do all the swing parts yet. I can't seem to get the finish postion to work. But the principles are very sound and easy to understand.

[NCSU_MSE]

The one on the left is definitely Villegas. I remember iacas using video & stills from that swing on here. As I recall, Camillo had some crazy move going in his swing that cause him to follow through in a Palmer-esque fashion.


As for the topic of this thread, I have adopted some of the S&T ideas. I'm definitely not a S&T golfer, but the concepts of keeping my weight more forward (I used to get my centers outside of my right foot), maintaining the flying wedge through impact, and sliding the hips to cleanly hit the ball have helped me tremendously. For me, the best parts of S&T (or any swing theory) are the simplest and most natural.

[Stretch]

The best part of the S&T method for me is the systematic approach. If I'm struggling with something in my swing, I can rebuild it step by step on the course or range and fix it quickly.

I agree with this 100%. When you have one of those days where you can't hit it for toffee, you can just go back to the fault trees to break down your most likely lapses and then immediately start working on fixing them. As a golfer with serious consistency issues, I find that very comforting!

[Zeph]

It goes with learning any swing, but I agree. One step at the time. Keep working on only that thing, and make sure you do it right, for a while. When it has become somewhat permanent, move on to the next step. If you notice the first step is starting to fade away, go back and work on it again.

I was at the range today and overheard a lesson someone else had. He was slicing the ball, so obiously there is the over the top swing. I don't think I could count the number of things the instructor mentioned he should work on on one hand. "Start the ball to the right". Didn't say how or why, just "start it out to the right". At the end of the lesson, it didn't look like they had accomplished anything at all. It seems some instructors are playing games with the students. Just throwing out something and waiting for the student to either say "I don't get it" or "how do I do that?", or to get it right, without even know what the heck he did.

Take it one step at the time. Find your flaw, find the fix, exaggerate it so you are sure you are really making a change. Preferably have someone watch or use a video camera. If it's good, keep hitting balls until it's permanent.

Try talking to someone while you write a reply about something else on the forum. The mind can't handle those things at the same time. Most likely you won't be able to utter a sensible sentence, and you definitely won't be able to write anything useful on the computer.