Tiger Woods will never regain golf dominance

[RichF]

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Kaymer is a good player but McDowell i think is just amazing under pressure and how many of those wins that Kaymer has were on the pga tour. You have to understand from top to bottom euro tour isnt close to as deep as the pga tour a win is a win but im mean its not close to the same.Playful time on the tour then i will have a little more respect not saying he isnt a good player but the best dont play on the euro tour.

And how many wins does McDowell have on the PGA Tour? Same as Kaymer: One.

See above post by Zeph for the 'best don't play on the PGA Tour''

[franky21]

He won the us open and the chevron but its the way he beat Tiger that was incredible i mean Tiger was playing amazing and McDowell beat him with two huge twemty foot putts but time will tell. The bottom line is regardless Tiger is the best he is just fighting his swing but the other two times he changed his swing he had just 1 win and o majors so this whole number thing is ridiculous cause there is only one golfer that has shown consistency and thats Tiger so he will get it back sooner or later.

[newtogolf]

I don't like Tiger but I think he's great for the game of golf.   I personally don't care that he cheated on his wife, though I did find it a bit ironic given how he attempted to portray himself to the media as a standup guy.

Golf seems less exciting without Tiger actively closing in on the Majors record.  I didn't like Barry Bonds, but was interested in watching him break the HR record, same applies here.

[iacas]

Originally Posted by Zeph

He might play another tournament in between, perhaps the Honda Classic, since he got so little playtime this week.

Nope. Plus the time to commit has already passed. He'll stubbornly stick to his normal schedule.

[davepenny]

There is nothing more divisive than Eldrick to golf fans.I personally dont see how anyone could be a fan of his.jmo

[sean_miller]

Originally Posted by davepenny

There is nothing more divisive than Eldrick to golf fans.I personally dont see how anyone could be a fan of his.jmo

People flock to winners. Some people really flock to his "win at all costs" attitude. How could anyone be a fan of Lance Armstrong or Roger Clemens (or Alex Rodriquez etc.)?

[newtogolf]

Originally Posted by davepenny

There is nothing more divisive than Eldrick to golf fans.I personally dont see how anyone could be a fan of his.jmo

You can be a fan of his game and not his attitude or behavior.

[RichF]

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He won the us open and the chevron but its the way he beat Tiger that was incredible i mean Tiger was playing amazing and McDowell beat him with two huge twemty foot putts but time will tell. The bottom line is regardless Tiger is the best he is just fighting his swing but the other two times he changed his swing he had just 1 win and o majors so this whole number thing is ridiculous cause there is only one golfer that has shown consistency and thats Tiger so he will get it back sooner or later.

He won't ever get it back...he'll be out the Top 10 this year (as will Mickelson) and he'll stick to his promise of retiring from golf if he isn't winning/contending (which means millions of fair-weather golf 'fans' can go and find another sport to watch)

I'm sorry if that's a bitter pill for 'Tiger-ites' to swallow...but sooner or later...it's got to be swallowed...

2011 will be known as Golf's 'New World Order'...

[Zeph]

Originally Posted by davepenny

There is nothing more divisive than Eldrick to golf fans.I personally dont see how anyone could be a fan of his.jmo

How about winning 14 majors, 71 PGA tournaments and 38 European tournaments, being by far the best player the last 15 years?

[alo1984]

Love him or hate him the guy is entertaining.  I (along with millions of others) want to watch tournaments to see how is is playing.  I enjoy watching golf with or without Tiger, but I am admittedly more interested when he is playing.

Those who bash him should give some consideration to where the game would be without him.  He deserves a good deal of credit for the advancement of the game over the last 15 years.  Do you think that the equipment strides would have happened so quickly or at all if Tiger hadn't been as dominant?  I for one do not.  Do you think that the game of golf in general would be as accessible if Tiger had not been such a dominant and popular figure? Again, I for one do not.

Many of us who took up the game in the last 15 years owe a lot to Tiger.  We owe some gratitude for the equipment that affords us the ability to hit the ball so far and straight to him.  We also owe him some gratitude for the affordability of a round of golf and the plethora of golf publications available.

I firmly believe that TIger helped usher in an era of technological advancement and accessibility that would not have otherwise have happened to the golf world.  At least not as quickly as it has.

That said, I do not believe that Tiger will regain the dominance he once displayed.  I will not speculate on how many more tournaments or majors he will win except to say that I would not be surprised if he never wins again.

[RichF]

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Love him or hate him the guy is entertaining.  I (along with millions of others) want to watch tournaments to see how is is playing.  I enjoy watching golf with or without Tiger, but I am admittedly more interested when he is playing.

Is entertaining or was entertaining? I find it hard to believe you enjoy watching him play now...especially when there's so many other better players around.

I followed him for the first 3 holes at The Open at St Andrews last year and then decided to watch all the other other groups instead...can't be doing with the lemmings that follow his group around all the time and watching parts of McIlroy's masterful 63 was far, far better than a guy struggling to re-adjust, regardless of who he is/what he's done.

Oh, and no, we don't owe him anything whatsoever...golf's his job.

[alo1984]

Originally Posted by RichF

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Is entertaining or was entertaining? I find it hard to believe you enjoy watching him play now...especially when there's so many other better players around.

I followed him for the first 3 holes at The Open at St Andrews last year and then decided to watch all the other other groups instead...can't be doing with the lemmings that follow his group around all the time and watching parts of McIlroy's masterful 63 was far, far better than a guy struggling to re-adjust, regardless of who he is/what he's done.

Oh, and no, we don't owe him anything whatsoever...golf's his job.

IS.  Yes, I said IS entertaining.  That is one of the things that makes him so special.  People want to see him play even if he's playing badly because you might get to see him turn it around.

Yes, golf is his job.  And physics was Albert Einsteins' job but would you say we owe nothing to him for his theory of relativity?  He was just doing his job and therefore no credit is due for any subsequent advancements.  I'm sure you believe that.  C'mon.

[kafka01]

Originally Posted by RichF

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At this rate, guys like Kuchar, Casey and McIlroy are going to pass him soon as well...

It doesnt work that way - Tiger still has a lot of points left from former wins in the last years - if he doesnt manage to win within the next two months, he will loose these points, and he will drop out of the Top20! And that is actually a fact. You might hold on for a position for quite a while in the WGR - but once you start to struggle and cant keep up with your former success, you drop will be quick and steep - just look at how fast and deep Duval dropped.

So yes, its hard to understand why he doesnt play more - i guess he would if he sees himself capable of winning.

[kafka01]

Originally Posted by Zeph

How about winning 14 majors, 71 PGA tournaments and 38 European tournaments, being by far the best player the last 15 years?

Hmmm - 0 majors - 0 PGA tournaments and 0 European tournaments in the last two years - i´d say thats a more accurate description of his performance than drooling over his past.

[Zeph]

So we should only be a fan of those who win each year? I think you should look up the definition of "fan".

[kafka01]

LOL - why do you think Woods had such a HUGE fanbase over every other player on tour - certainly not because he is such a nice approachable person that makes his fans feel special, signing autographs all day long and respecting the game that made him rich. Heck no - he had so many fans, because he was winning all the time every year. He was a sure bet not only for the punters but also for people who needed an easy way to root for somebody in golf.

[franky21]

You arent the best golfer ever then all of a sudden become a average joe like everyone else on tour special talent doesnt just dissaper like i said befor the last two times he changed his swing he had slumps just like the on he is having now this year isnt any different from the previous times he has changed his swing the reason he is getting bashed is for what he did off the course the commentators just tell you what they want yoo to hear. Tiger won 0 majors and just one tourny when he was changing his swing with Butch and Hank.

Originally Posted by RichF

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He won't ever get it back...he'll be out the Top 10 this year (as will Mickelson) and he'll stick to his promise of retiring from golf if he isn't winning/contending (which means millions of fair-weather golf 'fans' can go and find another sport to watch)

I'm sorry if that's a bitter pill for 'Tiger-ites' to swallow...but sooner or later...it's got to be swallowed...

2011 will be known as Golf's 'New World Order'...

[franky21]

How can you not go for the guy that put this sport on the map and made it what it is today.To tell yourself that golf was great before him is just crazy. He dominated and is dominating this sport like noone has ever dominated any sport in the history of sports. Like i said before i dont agree with what he did off the course i am a husband and father and what he did to his family is wrong but this isnt Dr.Phil people what he does on the course is magical and will never be duplicated. He is simply a amazing golfer and golf needs him period.