Why is it a GIR if you drive Par 4s or reach Par 5s in two?

[Gioguy21]

'spirit of a GIR' now THAT is a new one. oy vey. if this game made sense we wouldn't need a 50+ page rule book, COMON man...do you get erked when the flags aren't red for front white for middle or blue for back too?

[nleary9201]

Golf people seem to get pissed when you bring up a subject just a little outside the box

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[Gioguy21]

Originally Posted by nleary9201

Golf people seem to get pissed when you bring up a subject just a little outside the box

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not pissed at all and that's not outside the box. let me put this in perspective. let's just say on a par 72 course with 4 par 3's, and 4 par 5's....you hit 17 greens...and on 2 of the 5's you hit in under greens in reg..(using your theory) you'd then be hitting 19 greens out of 18. allbeit incredibly unlikely almost impossible...it wouldn't make sense.  besides, i take no opinions from nick lachey...ever. hahaha

[meenman]

Originally Posted by nleary9201

there ya go.  Lets say you hit 4 par 5's in 2 and 1 par 4 in 1 in a round.  Shouldn't the stat reflect that you did "better" than hitting the par 5's in 3 and the par 4 in 2?.  1.5 would be the perfect number.

If you are hitting that many in a round, maybe it is time to move back from the women's tees

[newtogolf]

Originally Posted by nleary9201

Golf people seem to get pissed when you bring up a subject just a little outside the box

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It's not outside the box, it's incorrect, "GIR" is a stat that is a yes or no, did you get on green in regulation for a given hole or not.  You then track the number of times you achieved GIR in a round.  There's nothing gained in terms of the stat GIR to reach it in less than the number of strokes required for the hole, nor should doing so offet the fact that you failed to achieve GIR on a different hole.

If you want to create a new stat that provides you the data you want to track, that would be outside the box, but you can't redefine GIR.

[deasy55]

Some people can't seem to grasp simple statistics. You either hit the green in regulation or you didn't. You can't go around telling people that you hit 19.5 greens today. It's a binary system ffs it's either green hit (1) or not hit (0)

[nleary9201]

I think it is similar to a 3 point shot in basketball.  I wonder if somebody brought up the idea of "extra credit" (i.e. 3 points) for a longer goal in basketball did everyone think that was a crazy idea? Not so crazy now. I think that scoring a GIR in the way i propose would give more accurate info as to how you played.  It's "better" in almost every case to hit a par 5 in 2 than 3 but the stat doesn't reflect that.

[Gioguy21]

Originally Posted by nleary9201

I think it is similar to a 3 point shot in basketball.  I wonder if somebody brought up the idea of "extra credit" (i.e. 3 points) for a longer goal in basketball did everyone think that was a crazy idea? Not so crazy now. I think that scoring a GIR in the way i propose would give more accurate info as to how you played.  It's "better" in almost every case to hit a par 5 in 2 than 3 but the stat doesn't reflect that.

the same reason half court isn't worth 4 and opposite court's foul line isn't five...we get your point, we're just saying you're neglecting to understand you can't have BETTER than a green hit...it's yes or no, not 'hidden choice c'...and if you do...make the eagle putt, THERE's your extra credit...

[Clambake]

Originally Posted by nleary9201

I realize that - but mostly the only stat anyone ever refers to is GIR. I seems silly that you don't get more "credit" (if you will) for hitting a par 4 in one or a par 5 in two.  You are reaching the green "under" regulation.

You do get credit - it's called the number you write down on your scorecard.   And if you hit par 4's in 1 shot or par 5's in 2 then your scorecard is going to look better.

I'm lost at the point of what you're trying to do.   What problem do you think needs solving????

[newtogolf]

Originally Posted by nleary9201

I think it is similar to a 3 point shot in basketball.  I wonder if somebody brought up the idea of "extra credit" (i.e. 3 points) for a longer goal in basketball did everyone think that was a crazy idea? Not so crazy now. I think that scoring a GIR in the way i propose would give more accurate info as to how you played.  It's "better" in almost every case to hit a par 5 in 2 than 3 but the stat doesn't reflect that.

Are you trolling?  I find it hard to believe you are unable to grasp the concept that the stat GIR is not a score, or average, but a yes or no result for each hole.  You have one opportunity per hole to achieve GIR, you either do it or you don't.  At the end of the round you add up all the holes where you met the requirements for GIR.  It has nothing to do with scoring, it has to do with whether you achieved something or not on a hole.

[golf4fun12]

this thread is to much funny. you can't give a 1.5 for getting 1 shot onto a par4. wouldn't make sense if you made every gir by the end of the round. let's say you did 1 shot onto a par 4 twice in your round of golf and made gir on every other hole (par 3-1 shot, par 4-2 shots, par 5-3 shots. that would add up to 19 gir. how does that make any sense? it's like saying I will give it 110%.

and of course it is "better" to hit a par 5 in 2 shots. I can't think of a reason to why it isn't.

if you want, propose this to the pga rules committee and see what they have to say. or you could propose them to change it from gir to gwr. greens in regulation to greens within regulation. that could make sense for a 1 shot onto a par 4. you made it to the green within regulation.

[Zeph]

If you got 1.5 for hitting a par 5 it two, common sense dictates that you should get -1.5 for hitting a par three in 2 shots.

One GIR = 1 point
One missed GIR = -1 point
GIR in one shot less = 1.5 points
GIR in one shot more = -1.5 points

In the end, this would hurt you more than give a higher GIR stat since you miss the GIR way more often than you reach it in a shot less.

We don't count greens by points, it's a binary system of 1s and 0s.

GIR hit = 1

GIR missed = 0

Total GIR hit: 1/2, 50%

You can of course use any system you want, but I don't see the point, especially if you are just going to give you more points for good shots, not subtract when you hit it bad.

[nleary9201]

Hitting a par 5 in 2 actually does (kinda) cancel out hitting a par 4 in 3.  If you 2 putt (with GIR is related to) each hole you end up with a score of 9 with is the same as hitting the par 5 in 3 and the par 4 in 2.  Its just a way to show you have done "better" on a hole than the standard GIR.

[Zeph]

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Originally Posted by nleary9201

Hitting a par 5 in 2 actually does (kinda) cancel out hitting a par 4 in 3.  If you 2 putt (with GIR is related to) each hole you end up with a score of 9 with is the same as hitting the par 5 in 3 and the par 4 in 2.  Its just a way to show you have done "better" on a hole than the standard GIR.

That's why we don't win by hitting most greens. If you score 4 on a par 5 and 5 on a par 4, the score will even out, but you still only hit 50% of the greens. The GIR stat is an indication of the quality of your ball striking, in fact it's probably the best indication. It's not meant to give you points, the goal is to get 100% GIR, hitting 18/18 greens. Hitting a par 5 in two usually require two long and good shots, but you can still only hit one green in regulation each hole. This won't change, there is no reason why it should.

[nleary9201]

It could be a "better" indication of how your ball striking is.  You struck the ball better by hitting a par 5 in 2 than 3 but the stat doesn't reflect that in its current form.

[Fourputt]

Originally Posted by nleary9201

Golf people seem to get pissed when you bring up a subject just a little outside the box

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It's neither inside nor outside of the box.  It's simply illogical.  You can't possibly hit the green in regulation more than once per hole.  Once the ball in on the green and you have 2 or more putts for par, then you are on in regulation.

By your logic, if you are on the green in one stroke more than regulation, you should still get .5 GIR.  That would be stupid.  The same conclusion can be extrapolated to your proposal of 1.5 GIR.

[Fourputt]

Originally Posted by nleary9201

It could be a "better" indication of how your ball striking is.  You struck the ball better by hitting a par 5 in 2 than 3 but the stat doesn't reflect that in its current form.

All that tells me is that you hit the ball farther than the next guy.  I know several guys who aren't long enough to reach most par 5 holes in 2, yet they are never in trouble, rarely out of the fairway, and maintain solid single digit handicaps.  They strike the ball purely almost every stroke.

If this is so important to you then keep the fantasy stat for yourself.  Nobody's stopping you.  It's meaningless, but be my guest.

And did you really have to start a second thread about it just because nobody agrees with you in this one?

[saevel25]

Nah, this doesn't fly. this is like breaking the laws of physcis, you can not create or destroy mass, mass is conserved. Greens are conserved, there are 18 greens, 18 chances to get a GIR. If you reach a par 5 in two, thats 1 GIR, period. It makes sense that way.

Just like if you miss that green in the 2nd shot and hit a chip on, that is not an up and down, because it wasn't a one putt for par.