The Big Break "Indian Wells"

[aschroeger]

They answered the questions about Carls bunker/drop on their facebook page.

From The Producers:

During the elimination challenge of Show 8, Carl Whyte played a shot from a bunker and it embedded in the lip of the bunker.  The ball was embedded in the ground (roots) just above the level of the sand. The ball therefore was embedded through the green. We then applied the USGA rule “Embedded Ball through the Green”, Appendix 1, Part B: Specimen Local Rules, Carl was granted relief without penalty and we proceeded under that rule.  Since his (Carl) ball was embedded in the ground, and not in the sand in the bunker, his ball was embedded through the green, not in the bunker.

[sacm3bill]

Originally Posted by bplewis24

Well, I thought it was vague to say "it is what it is."  I thought there were rules about how far it could roll before having to be replaced.  I would prefer an official say "you play it as it lies after it rolls unless..." or something along those lines.

Yes, it can't roll more than 2 club lengths as part of a drop. It did on the first drop, so had to be dropped again. It rolled more than 2 club lengths again, so at that point it had to be placed. Once it is placed it's in play, so it can then roll any distance and still be in play (and not be a penalty as long as the player had not caused it to move or taken their stance).

So, I think the "is what it is" comment was with respect to the tough break of the ball moving after it was placed and before Carl could hit it. (Although, as I say, I think he had already been given 2 gifts - one when he got free relief when it looked like the embedded ball was in the bunker still, and another when he got to place closer to the hole.)

Edit after seeing the above post: Since I don't have the ability to review the video I'll submit to the judges decision on the original embedded ruling - but I still don't see how the placement was legal.

[Jeremy517]

Originally Posted by aschroeger

They answered the questions about Carls bunker/drop on their facebook page.

From The Producers:

During the elimination challenge of Show 8, Carl Whyte played a shot from a bunker and it embedded in the lip of the bunker.  The ball was embedded in the ground (roots) just above the level of the sand. The ball therefore was embedded through the green. We then applied the USGA rule “Embedded Ball through the Green”, Appendix 1, Part B: Specimen Local Rules, Carl was granted relief without penalty and we proceeded under that rule.  Since his (Carl) ball was embedded in the ground, and not in the sand in the bunker, his ball was embedded through the green, not in the bunker.

The embedded ball rule can only be used when the grass is cut to fairway length or shorter.  His path out of the bunker would have been over the rough, so I don't think the rule could be used.

[iacas]

http://msga.bluegolf.com/bluegolf/msga11/event/msga116/contest/1/contestant/2813/scorecard.htm

[GolfBear]

A 102

I 'm absolutely positive I could shoot less than 102 on a USGA qualifying course.   Maybe I can get on next season's show.  We played all of our high school matches from the tips, many on courses I'd never seen before and I never went higher than 90.

Come on golf channel, give me a shot!

[tmf9]

WOW! 102?? Time to start filling out my application for the next big break!

[Paradox]

really only two guys on the show who I could see playing on tour...Petey and Kent.  The rest are either just too old to have a realistic shot at getting there from where they are or just not that great.

[bplewis24]

Is there a handicap listed for Carl?

I must say I'm not shocked by that scorecard.

Brandon

[ghalfaire]

I agree.  The area where the ball was embedded was not a fairway length grass area (closely mown) and the rule doesn't apply I read the rule.  It is my belief that Carl was not entitled free relief.  But the bunker does not include the turf lip so the ball was not in the bunker.

Originally Posted by Jeremy517

The embedded ball rule can only be used when the grass is cut to fairway length or shorter.  His path out of the bunker would have been over the rough, so I don't think the rule could be used.

[Doctorfro]

I guarantee if you or I were playing in a tournament and this happened to us....we would not be granted relief.  Producers wanted to keep Carl in it.  Sad.

[deronsizemore]

Originally Posted by iacas

http://msga.bluegolf.com/bluegolf/msga11/event/msga116/contest/1/contestant/2813/scorecard.htm

What!? I thought one of the criteria for this show was to be somewhere around scratch or better. No scratch golfer I know will come anywhere near 100 on any course. I can understand that people have bad days, but a "bad" day for a scratch golfer is shooting 80-85, not 102. There's a 10 and a nine on that card. Jeez.

[Kieran123]

Originally Posted by deronsizemore

What!? I thought one of the criteria for this show was to be somewhere around scratch or better. No scratch golfer I know will come anywhere near 100 on any course. I can understand that people have bad days, but a "bad" day for a scratch golfer is shooting 80-85, not 102. There's a 10 and a nine on that card. Jeez.

Link isn't working for me.

Who was the player?

You know, some of the guys on the show do not look like scratch players whatsoever. Maybe it;s the pressure or something but it's strange

EDIT: Carl.....not surprising. 10 on a par 4? WTF?

[Gioguy21]

i can't remember the last time i shot over 90 let alone a 100...maybe carl didn't have the time to map every inch of the place...?

[GolfBear]

Originally Posted by deronsizemore

What!? I thought one of the criteria for this show was to be somewhere around scratch or better. No scratch golfer I know will come anywhere near 100 on any course. I can understand that people have bad days, but a "bad" day for a scratch golfer is shooting 80-85, not 102. There's a 10 and a nine on that card. Jeez.

If I remember correctly don't you need an index of 1.5 or better just to get into an open qualifier?

Everyone has a bad round now and then but that card looks like he played with a broken arm.    I don't see Kent shoot a 100 anywhere, just give him the damn money and end this dreadful season.

[Deryck Griffith]

Originally Posted by iacas

http://msga.bluegolf.com/bluegolf/msga11/event/msga116/contest/1/contestant/2813/scorecard.htm

Great find!  How do you score a 10 on a 390 par 4?

[Kieran123]

Originally Posted by Deryck Griffith

Great find!  How do you score a 10 on a 390 par 4?

http://lakepresidential.com/golf/map.cfm

On the map on hole 2 it hows water left, maybe OB right.

Not particularly hard looking though

On another note, in the leaderboard it shows Will as WD...weird

http://msga.bluegolf.com/bluegolf/msga11/event/msga116/contest/1/leaderboard.htm

[bplewis24]

Originally Posted by Kieran123

http://lakepresidential.com/golf/map.cfm

On the map on hole 2 it hows water left, maybe OB right.

Not particularly hard looking though

On another note, in the leaderboard it shows Will as WD...weird

http://msga.bluegolf.com/bluegolf/msga11/event/msga116/contest/1/leaderboard.htm

Word is that Will was seen muttering "if you don't want it, then just back out" shortly before walking off the course.

(kidding) :)

[Deryck Griffith]

Originally Posted by Kieran123

http://lakepresidential.com/golf/map.cfm

On the map on hole 2 it hows water left, maybe OB right.

Not particularly hard looking though

On another note, in the leaderboard it shows Will as WD...weird

http://msga.bluegolf.com/bluegolf/msga11/event/msga116/contest/1/leaderboard.htm

Very interesting.  I would suspect that he re-loaded on the tee a couple of times.