• Announcements

    • iacas

      GAME GOLF Ryder Cup Contest   09/22/2016

      Join our GAME GOLF Ryder Cup Challenge to win an autographed GAME GOLF, a Pebble Steel watch, and many more great prizes!
Sign in to follow this  
Followers 0
mattboywonder

Altitude adjustments and course suggestions

18 posts in this topic

2 Questions: I'm from Utah and golf a lot here at higher altitudes (apx 4-5K ft). Planning on going to play in Auburn, AL.  I've never played at sea level.
Question 1 - How much difference in club distance is there at sea level, and
Question 2 - where should I play in Auburn, AL?

If it helps, here are a couple of rough distances that I play at my elevation:

3wd - 250

4hyb - 220

5i - 200

8i - 160

pw-130

52 deg - 100-120

56 deg - 60-100

thx

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Want to get rid of this advertisement? Sign up (or log in) today! It's free!

Your about 2% longer per 1000 ft so about 10%.  You also need to factor in temperature and humidity change which might give you back some of those yards you are losing.

Originally Posted by mattboywonder

2 Questions: I'm from Utah and golf a lot here at higher altitudes (apx 4-5K ft). Planning on going to play in Auburn, AL.  I've never played at sea level.

Question 1 - How much difference in club distance is there at sea level, and

Question 2 - where should I play in Auburn, AL?

If it helps, here are a couple of rough distances that I play at my elevation:

3wd - 250

4hyb - 220

5i - 200

8i - 160

pw-130

52 deg - 100-120

56 deg - 60-100

thx



0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Grand National in Auburn/Opelika, it's part of the RTJ golf trail and fantastic.  I played it years ago and was very impressed.

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Originally Posted by x129

Your about 2% longer per 1000 ft so about 10%.  You also need to factor in temperature and humidity change which might give you back some of those yards you are losing.

Dug this thread up because I'm going to be playing Old Works in Montana in June.  Their recommended tees for 5-9 handicappers are 7200 yards.  Their recommended tees for under 5 handicaps are 7700 yards.  I've never even heard of a course that had tees that far back, let alone actually recommending that 4 handicappers play them.  So they are either really sadistic, or obviously there is some gained distance at the altitude.  According to Wikipedia, the elevation in downtown Anaconda is 5,335 ft, whereas here in Orange County we are (obviously) pretty close to sea level.

If x129's data is correct, then I need to add the same 10% to my distances.  Anybody else concur or disagree with the 2% per 1000 ft. assessment?

Nevermind the fact that I will be further complicating things by playing with my old standard length (and weaker lofted) clubs, instead of my current clubs ... which are about 1.25" longer than standard.  I'll work out that difference myself. :)

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

^^^ Sorry, don't know that answer... but I have a question.

I normally hit my 6 iron 160 yards and I recently played a course where the altitude drop from the tee to the green was about 100 feet, the hole was 175 yards to the pin so I hit my 6 iron and flew the green to the back bunker... 192 yards checked with my gps. I was wondering is there a general rule to adjust for elevation changes?

Anyone?

Thanks.

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

The International, a PGA Tour event discontinued after the 2006 season, was played at Castle Pines Golf Club near Denver, Colorado. Average elevation for the course was 6,300 feet. Some tour pros found that, in the high altitude, they could hit a 3W farther than a Driver.

_________________________

General rule on elevation changes and shot length:

  • A 10-foot drop in elevation from ball location to green adds about 10 yards to the shot.
  • A 10-foot rise in elevation from ball location to green cuts about 10 yards from the shot.

Note: Short irons, which hit the ball higher into the air, don't gain or lose quite as much as medium irons and woods.

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

General rule on elevation changes and shot length: [LIST] [*] A 10-foot drop in elevation [COLOR=008000]from ball location to green[/COLOR] adds about 10 yards to the shot. [*] A 10-foot rise in elevation [COLOR=008000]from ball location to green[/COLOR] cuts about 10 yards from the shot. [/LIST] Note: Short irons, which hit the ball higher into the air, don't gain or lose quite as much as medium irons and woods.

That can't be right unless you're talking about skulled shots. Unless you meant write 10 yard rise cuts 10 feet in distance. I would buy that. I would also buy an even exchange .. 10 yards for 10 yards. But for it to be what you wrote the ball would have to be coming down at something like a 15 or 20 degree angle from horiz.

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

I believe i look this up on trackman once, the angle of impact is roughly upper 30's to 50 degree angle. Its about 1:1 ratio of yard of elevation to yard lost or gained. I find this to be pretty good estimate. Basically 45 degree angle gives you 1 up and 1 over for ball flight. Its a curve, though, but on trackman the apex of the golf ball (how high it goes, that distance up), is about the same as the distance left the ball has to travel horizontally.

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

Originally Posted by saevel25

I believe i look this up on trackman once, the angle of impact is roughly upper 30's to 50 degree angle. Its about 1:1 ratio of yard of elevation to yard lost or gained. I find this to be pretty good estimate. Basically 45 degree angle gives you 1 up and 1 over for ball flight. Its a curve, though, but on trackman the apex of the golf ball (how high it goes, that distance up), is about the same as the distance left the ball has to travel horizontally.

Yeah, that makes more sense.  I just checked the report from the one Trackman session I've ever done and I was around 40* landing angle with a 6 iron, so for ease of use, it seems like 1:1 is a good enough ratio to use as a baseline.

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

Useful info from PGATour.com:

--The wind: In general, every 10 mph of wind equates to one more or less club. If there’s a 10-mph wind in your face, opt for the 8-iron over the 9; conversely, if there’s a 20-mph wind behind you, choose your pitching wedge over a 9- or 8-iron.

--The temperature: The hotter it is outside, the farther the ball is going to carry. The cooler it is — i.e., early in the morning or late in the day—the less it’s going to carry. Also pay attention to the moisture on the ground because when it’s cool and damp out, you’re not going to get as much roll on the fairways as you will when the course has had a chance to dry out.

--The altitude: At higher altitudes, the air is thinner so the ball will move through it more efficiently; and, as such, will travel farther.

--Elevation: For every 10 yards of elevation (to an elevated green or one below your feet), add or subtract a full club. The lie of the ball can also play a factor—if you’re on a moderate to severe upslope, for instance, you may want to take one more club (i.e., a 6-iron vs. 7-iron), since the hill will tend to add loft to the club.

http://www.pgatour.com/instruction/instruction-choose-the-right-club.html

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Now for extra credit:

How does high humidity affect the ball flight?  Further or shorter?

Key Final Jeopardy music now.........

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

Originally Posted by David in FL

Now for extra credit:

How does high humidity affect the ball flight?  Further or shorter?

Key Final Jeopardy music now.........

Shorter?

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

Originally Posted by David in FL

Now for extra credit:

How does high humidity affect the ball flight?  Further or shorter?

Key Final Jeopardy music now.........

Further. Strange but true.

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Originally Posted by WUTiger

General rule on elevation changes and shot length:

A 10-foot drop in elevation from ball location to green adds about 10 yards to the shot.

A 10-foot rise in elevation from ball location to green cuts about 10 yards from the shot.

do you mean a 10 YARD drop in elevantion = 10 yards added to the shot etc? or did you mean "foot"?

seems to differ from subsequent post:

Originally Posted by saevel25

Its about 1:1 ratio of yard of elevation to yard lost or gained. I find this to be pretty good estimate.

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Originally Posted by geauxforbroke

Shorter?

Nope.   But you get style points for not Googling it just to get the right answer!

Originally Posted by MS256

Further. Strange but true.

Yep.  Ask any pilot.  Water vapor is less dense than dry air.

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

Originally Posted by David in FL

Now for extra credit:

How does high humidity affect the ball flight?  Further or shorter?

Key Final Jeopardy music now.........

Originally Posted by geauxforbroke

Shorter?

Originally Posted by MS256

Further. Strange but true.

Originally Posted by David in FL

Nope.   But you get style points for not Googling it just to get the right answer!

Yep.  Ask any pilot.  Water vapor is less dense than dry air.

No way!  You're all wrong.  The actual correct answer is "Who are three people who have never been in my kitchen?"

Just in case nobody knows what the heck I'm talking about ... it's from an old Cheers episode, when Cliff goes on Jeopardy, answers every question correctly, then wagers all of his money on the final Jeopardy question (which was a list of three names), only to draw a blank and use the above as his answer.  Hey, he wasn't "technically" wrong. ;)

1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

I don't even have to click on the spoiler link, Cliff. :-D
1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!


Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.


Sign In Now
Sign in to follow this  
Followers 0



  • Want to join this community?

    We'd love to have you!

    Sign Up
  • 2016 TST Partners

    GAME Golf
    PING Golf
    Lowest Score Wins
  • Posts

    • Copy & Pasting my own answer on a similar thread here.... I agree about borrowing or grabbing a CHEAP bag of random clubs at a garage sale to start with but when you're ready to invest a little dough into your own set, there are really three ways to do it... 1 - Get a cheap beginner set from Golfsmith or Dick's (or other online source). Advantages (if you go instore) are you get to see/swing them first, some assistance with selection, a good matched set to start learning the game with even if they are not fitted. I recently spent $169 on a set of Lynx Tigress clubs from Golfsmith for my wife...same set is currently listed on their site for $299. They are actually quite well made/designed and will likely be all she ever needs for her game. Dick's also had a Top Flite set in the same price range...she liked the color of the Lynx set better. ;) 2 - Roll the dice with an online "Clone" company like Giga, Diamond Tour, Pine Meadow, Hireko Golf, etc...You don't get to swing them first but you can use their online fitting systems to customize size/shaft/grip options a little more than just the standard options in a box. I used to have a Pine Meadow driver that I could hit ever bit as far as my brother-in-laws latest greatest. This is a good article about clone clubs http://planet-golf.com/what-are-clone-golf-clubs/ 3 - Used brand name stuff, one man's trash is literally my treasure. Try EBay, Club Finders (or other like websites) and buy a used set of matched irons of proper size/flex (used Ping Eye 2 iron sets go for $90-125 all day) and then piece together your other clubs individually. Again, you won't get to swing them first and you could get burned on a deal along the way...but if you take your time and shop smart, you can assemble a nice bag without breaking the bank this way too. I'm lucky here in Dallas to have a PGA store, a Golfsmith, a dozen Dick's Sports, and also Club Finders Golf (used golf specialist) all within 20 minutes of my house so when I started building a new bag I decided to take the #3 route...but I am considering finishing it off with a couple of new clone wedges rather than going with older/used wedges. Good luck whatever you decide.
    • I agree about borrowing or grabbing a CHEAP bag of random clubs at a garage sale to start with but when you're ready to invest a little dough into your own set, there are really three ways to do it... 1 - Get a cheap beginner set from Golfsmith or Dick's (or other online source). Advantages are you get to see/swing them first, some assistance with selection, a good matched set to start learning the game with even if they are not fitted. I recently spent $169 on a set of Lynx Tigress clubs from Golfsmith for my wife...same set is currently listed on their site for $299. They are actually quite well made/designed and will likely be all she ever needs for her game. Dick's also had a Top Flite set in the same price range...she liked the color of the Lynx set better. ;) 2 - Roll the dice with an online "Clone" company like Giga, Diamond Tour, Pine Meadow, Hireko Golf, etc...You don't get to swing them first but you can use their online fitting systems to customize size/shaft/grip options a little more than just the standard options in a box. I used to have a Pine Meadow driver that I could hit ever bit as far as my brother-in-laws latest greatest. This is a good article about clone clubs http://planet-golf.com/what-are-clone-golf-clubs/ 3 - Used brand name stuff, one man's trash is literally my treasure. Try EBay, Club Finders (or other like websites) and buy a used set of matched irons of proper size/flex (used Ping Eye 2 iron sets go for $90-125 all day) and then piece together your other clubs individually. Again, you won't get to swing them first and you could get burned on a deal along the way...but if you take your time and shop smart, you can assemble a nice bag without breaking the bank this way too. I'm lucky here in Dallas to have a PGA store, a Golfsmith, a dozen Dick's Sports, and also Club Finders Golf (used golf specialist) all within 20 minutes of my house so when I started building a new bag I decided to take the #3 route...but I am considering finishing it off with a couple of new clone wedges rather than going with older/used wedges. Good luck whatever you decide.
    • Great time! Laughs, good conversation and three new good people that I met. Hacker James is a fun character and his daughter is also. She has good setup form and with more playing and practice she can really improve. She hit a few good long drives, out driving her father from the same tees. Hacker James was lagging very well, but nothing fell for him, but he took it like the golfer that he is. Shindig is a great guy and fun to play with and talk with. His golf game is impressive. Long drives, good short game and putter. He's pretty consistent. Consistently out drove me. Shindig was using Game Golf, I'm looking forward to seeing the results. It didn't seem to bother his game.   I got up at 3:00 am, left home around 4, got to the course about 6:30 from Palm Desert. I liked the course. it has a great practice area, broken up into the driving range and different short game areas. The layout of the course was good as well as the fairways and greens. I didn't like some of the sand bunkers with very little sand, but overall it's a good course to play. The employees were friendly as well.   I shot 97, 48 on the front, 49 on the back. I putted so badly.  I missed so many putts within 5 feet. I drove the ball well, not too many out of the fairway, and they were still playable. I got in the sand and out pretty good most of the time, but I missed one short putt after another, it was killing me or better yet I was killing myself. My lagging was hit and miss as well. When I got home I took five putters to the putting green and selected another putter for my next round.  I did hit one of those shots that make you say " Oh yea". It was a 5-wood from the fairway, oh so sweet.  Looking forward to the next outing and meeting other Sand Trap members.    
    • I've always been at best average at speed events like sprinting.  But when I hit the driver well it goes 250 to 260 yards.  I gained maybe 30 to 40 yards this year and I'll turn 59 this December.  I'm 5'11", 150 lbs.  I've had leukemia, high dosage chemo and a bone marrow transplant, 5 years ago.  I'm definately not an example of great health. Most 42 year old men should be able to hit it further than 180 yards. Yes, technic and just as important... swing fast.  You should post a swing video in the member swing section of this forum to get tips from some experts around here.
    • Being in Scotland it's the opposite to your situation as in flooded greens.  I've went into pro shop and been given a free second game voucher / ticket a few times over the years.  I don't see it as an issue and as long as your respectful to the staff it's never been an issue with no hard feelings from either party. 
  • TST Blog Entries

  • Images

  • Today's Birthdays

    1. Dresilved
      Dresilved
      (51 years old)
    2. kpetrina
      kpetrina
      (24 years old)
    3. Luana
      Luana
      (38 years old)
  • Blog Entries