Pete Rose in the Hall of Fame

[iacas]

For what it's worth, hands down, no question, "yes" is my answer. The all-time hits leader should not be kept out for something he didn't do when he wasn't a player.

[LankyLefty]

As much as I hate Pete Rose... the HoF is not about being a good person.

[iacas]

Originally Posted by LankyLefty

As much as I hate Pete Rose... the HoF is not about being a good person.

That's worded well. I like that.

[darkhunter139]

Yes, just because he did something after his playing career does not somehow negate his 4,000 + hits.

[LankyLefty]

I have mixed feelings on this because I truly believe he should be banned from baseball but I also believe he should be in the HoF.

[TourSpoon]

Let Charlie Hustle in. He has paid his penance.

[lumpuckeroo]

I think he should be in, but it's sad for baseball to think the career hit leader, not in the Hall of Fame, the career home run leader, not in the Hall of Fame, most Cy Young awards in a career, not in the Hall of Fame.  I know, Bonds and Clemens are not eligible for the Hall of Fame yet, but they will not get in.  I think what happens off the field should have no bearing on what happened on the field.

In the imortal word of Shoeless Joe Jackson in Field of Dreams, "Ty Cobb wanted to play, but none of us could stand the son-of-a-bitch when we were alive, so we told him to stick it!"

[newtogolf]

Rose deserves to be in.  I understand he didn't handle the situation well, but that doesn't change his contributions and accomplishments as a player.  The guy bet his money on his team to win as a manager seems like that's a guy I'd want to play for.

[darkhunter139]

Originally Posted by lumpuckeroo

I think he should be in, but it's sad for baseball to think the career hit leader, not in the Hall of Fame, the career home run leader, not in the Hall of Fame, most Cy Young awards in a career, not in the Hall of Fame.  I know, Bonds and Clemens are not eligible for the Hall of Fame yet, but they will not get in.  I think what happens off the field should have no bearing on what happened on the field.

In the imortal word of Shoeless Joe Jackson in Field of Dreams, "Ty Cobb wanted to play, but none of us could stand the son-of-a-bitch when we were alive, so we told him to stick it!"

In Bonds and Clemens case it is a little different though.  I think they should get in as well though.

[sean_miller]

If people out there honestly believe Rose didn't bet on his own team (yeah, even when he was playing), then I could see the "yes" votes. I believe that gambling on baseball while being involved with the sport as a player, coach, or manager, is one of the few lines that can not be crossed and forgiven. Then again I also think that guys like Michael Vick and Dany Heatley got a pass.

[newtogolf]

I believe he's admitted to betting on his team to win while manager;

"I bet on my team every night. I didn't bet on my team four nights a week. I was wrong," Rose said.  Rose said that he believed in his team so much that he bet on them to win every night."

I'm okay with him betting on them to win as it's consistent with his job as manager to make sure they win.  If he ever bet on them to lose then I'd see a conflict of interest and agree that he shouldn't be in the HOF.

Originally Posted by sean_miller

If people out there honestly believe Rose didn't bet on his own team (yeah, even when he was playing), then I could see the "yes" votes. I believe that gambling on baseball while being involved with the sport as a player, coach, or manager, is one of the few lines that can not be crossed and forgiven. Then again I also think that guys like Michael Vick and Dany Heatley got a pass.

[sean_miller]

Originally Posted by newtogolf

I believe he's admitted to betting on his team to win while manager;

That's what I remembered reading as well. I voted no, and if there was a "hell no" option, I'd have chosen that. Maybe there needs to be a house cleaning at the Baseball Hall of Fame so people don't need to consider letting him in because " fill in the blank " is in.

There are a few standards that are being relaxed to allow players in (e,g, I was a huuuge fan of the Hawk, bur really? The hall?), but not betting on the game is covered on day one in every locker room and clubhouse at every level. At least it is in Canada. It's your hall. Fill your boots.

[newtogolf]

I agree with you that the criteria needs to be consistent for all inductees but I don't think anyone has the guts to clean it out.  People seem to make concessions for using illegal stimulants to improve performance but cry foul when steroids are mentioned.  In some cases they are willing to overlook what a player did off the field and in other cases it's held against the player.  It's all very subjective and often comes down to how the players treated the press during their career (which is why Bonds will never make it in).

Originally Posted by sean_miller

That's what I remembered reading as well. I voted no, and if there was a "hell no" option, I'd have chosen that. Maybe there needs to be a house cleaning at the Baseball Hall of Fame so people don't need to consider letting him in because "     fill in the blank    " is in.

[camper6]

He can't get in the Hall of Fame.

One of the criteria is that to get in you can't have been banned from MLB baseball.

[darkhunter139]

Originally Posted by sean_miller

That's what I remembered reading as well. I voted no, and if there was a "hell no" option, I'd have chosen that. Maybe there needs to be a house cleaning at the Baseball Hall of Fame so people don't need to consider letting him in because "     fill in the blank    " is in.

There are a few standards that are being relaxed to allow players in (e,g, I was a huuuge fan of the Hawk, bur really? The hall?), but not betting on the game is covered on day one in every locker room and clubhouse at every level. At least it is in Canada. It's your hall. Fill your boots.

Should they clean out all the record books too? Where does it end?   What Rose did was not as bad as what guys like Bonds and McGuire did which gave them a competitive advantage.  Sure they might not get in but I am sure there are some guys that never got caught in there.  I think they should let guys like Clemens and Bonds in anyway, baseball knew it was going on and let it happen anyway.

[Golf'nBiker]

Yes, he's IN!!!  I don't believe that a bunch of 'writers' have the decision...makes no sence at all!

[Grumpter]

Rose should get in the Hall of Fame while at the same time Jim Gray gets banned from the media.

[newtogolf]

Maybe Rose will get voted into the HOF post humously so he can't do anything to embarrass MLB