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Since @Beachcomber doesn't post anymore, I'll post for him ;-)

Feeling I suggested was that the wrist angles, especially the right wrist, doesn't change it's flex from A1-4. Right wrist over flexes, left goes into palmar flexion, right arm gets "bunchy" at A4 and then the shaft steepens on the downswing. Much better here.

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Who the hell is the freak with his paws on my golf bag?! :beer:

@mvmac thank you for posting a swing and a few feels to consider... I'll work on the right palm/wrist and try and prevent it from overflexing from A3 to A4.  Definitely would like to see that club become more square at A4 and believe you nailed the weakness in your observation.

Sorry about being sporadic on here... Baby and work have both taken a lot of my downtime!!

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Sorry about being sporadic on here... Baby and work have both taken a lot of my downtime!!

I know exactly how you feel. My baby is 3 now and it only gets tougher as she gets older.

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  • 8 years later...

Long time, no talk. Finally dusting off the sticks and trying to get my groove back. Here’s a few recent swings with a 7i and data from FlighScope. 
 

I’m going to work on some of the old stuff @mvmacsuggested in 2014. 😂

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Holy shit balls, Beachcomber's back! Hide the goats! 😄

Just kidding of course. Welcome back, man! Fun thread bump. :beer:

PS- It's weird I have a higher post count than you now. 

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15 hours ago, JetFan1983 said:

Holy shit balls, Beachcomber's back! Hide the goats! 😄

Just kidding of course. Welcome back, man! Fun thread bump. :beer:

PS- It's weird I have a higher post count than you now. 

Ha! “Hide the goats!” Hey, why you gotta do me dirty like that?! 🤣 

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Set up with your hips a bit more where the white line is. You're a little back in your heels, so you re-balance toward the balls/toes of your feet a bit.

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16 hours ago, iacas said:

Set up with your hips a bit more where the white line is. You're a little back in your heels, so you re-balance toward the balls/toes of your feet a bit.

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Q: Is there a tip on how to check if your hip is in line with the ankle/mid sole at address? Is there a feel, or way to ensure your true weight distribution is balanced, and isn’t too heel or toe/balls of the feet bias?

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6 hours ago, Beachcomber said:

Q: Is there a tip on how to check if your hip is in line with the ankle/mid sole at address? Is there a feel, or way to ensure your true weight distribution is balanced, and isn’t too heel or toe/balls of the feet bias?

I mean…

See all the pictures in that topic?

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5 hours ago, iacas said:

I mean…

See all the pictures in that topic?

Ok, sorry, I was looking through the thread you shared (thank you!) and just see alignments using software to draw lines to check alignment. I was looking for something a little easier to check without a camera while on the course or range. 

I went deeper into the topic, and found this in Mike’s original post (see attached pic). This gives me a few tips/tricks I can use to judge the setup better using some alignment sticks. 

Interestingly, I just saw a tweet that popped up on my feed with a quick way to check posture and balance too. I’ll give this a try and see if I can nail it. 

 

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6 hours ago, Beachcomber said:

I was looking for something a little easier to check without a camera while on the course or range. 

Hang a club from the middle of your hips near the seam of your pants and it should go through your ankles.

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Ok, went back to the basics with my grip, balance/posture issues, and tried to prevent the right arm from getting bunched. Here’s a 7i swing from today which looks a little better to my untrained eye. 
 

Going to keep working on the grip and left/right arm - trying not to go too deep across the chest and over flexing my right bicep at A4

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  • 1 month later...

Fellow trappers, hope all is well? Here’s a few PW’s from today where I had the camera out to check on my lines. 

Don’t mind the kids in the background arguing about a putting contest they had going. 🤣😂

 

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This topic might be good for you:

As would any of the "flow" days from here: https://golfevolution.com/instruction/30-day-plan/.

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The forearm is attached to but can work independently of the humorous or upper arm which ends at the shoulder joint. That's the structure you are working with. Now how each section of that structure can work in different ways so let's talk about them starting at the upper arm. You may have heard people use the term "external shoulder rotation." It's usually used in reference to the right arm but that's okay you need to understand it in the left arm as well. First off...that's not a correct term. The shoulder is a complex structure of three bones; the clavicle in the upper chest/neck area, the scapula or shoulder blade that glides across the back and the end of the humorous bone that is the upper arm. So when you hear that term what they really are saying is "external rotation of the humerus." A simple way to understand this is to think about arm wrestling. If you are arm wresting someone with your elbow on a table you are trying to force your opponents arm into external rotation while your upper arm would be internally rotating. If you are losing the wrestling match you will find that while your elbow stays in place, your forearm and hand will be pushed back behind the elbow as your humerus externally rotates. So in the golf swing we don't want to be the winner of the arm wrestling match... at any point in time! Both upper arms need to externally rotate. The right upper arm externally rotates in the backswing and stays in that position through impact or for some people just before but very close to impact. The left arm must externally rotate in the downswing from impact through the finish. Some people choose to set-up with both upper arms externally rotated...think elbows pointed at the hips or biceps up. Others will start with just the right arm in this position...some people describe it as the "giving blood" position. 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