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Putts per round is nice but obviously can be misleading from round to round.

The PGA tracks all sorts of things using ShotLink like total distance of putts made and Strokes Gained but this takes some serious data.

Does anyone track anything other than putts per round and if so, how do you manage to do so without either taking forever on each green or completely distracting yourself with tons of info?


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I use golflogix on my ph. Easy to use, I get to the course and hit the locate option and it finds whatever course I'm at via the GPS. It provides course details, yardage, scorecard and more. It will track more than most want to know. You can setup your clubs in your profile and track how far you hit each one. Doesn't take much time at all. The app scrolls through with questions after you finish the hole asking score, number of chips and putts, how long the putts missed and made were. Though it breaks those down by long, medium, short and tap in. When you're done it uploads everything to their site and you can view your stats there by round, by date, whatever. It's free give it a shot.

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It's not hard to make a mental estimate of how far your putts are, at least your first putt, and write it down on your card. Putts per round is really not a good stat at all to judge how well you played by itself. You have to be able to compare your total putts per round to distance of the putts for it to be of any value.

I've found that if I hit more GIR, my putts per round often goes up.

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Putting

 Last Round  Last 5    Last 10   Last 20   Overall
Total Putts              29          29.00     28.60     27.50     29.38
First Putt               17.8        16.1      15.3      14.7      15.9
Putts per GIR            1.77        1.76      1.81      1.80      1.87
Putts per Missed GIR     1.20        1.39      1.33      1.26      1.42
GIR First Putt           19.5        19.7      20.2      20.9      22.4
Zero Putts               0           0.0       0.0       0.1       0.1
One Putts                7           7.0       7.4       8.3       6.6
Two Putts                11          11.0      10.6      9.6       11.1
Three Putts              0           0.0       0.0       0.0       0.2
Total Distance Made      136         83.4      81.4      76.1      78.1

Putting Accuracy by Distance

 Last Round  Last 5    Last 10   Last 20   Overall
0-3 feet                 -           100%      100%      100%      98.9%
4-6 feet                 75.0%       93.3%     96.0%     89.3%     83.3%
7-10 feet                50.0%       54.5%     54.2%     62.5%     39.7%
11-15 feet               -           9.1%      24.2%     20.5%     18.8%
16-20 feet               0.0%        7.1%      6.9%      7.4%      11.4%
21-30 feet               33.3%       5.3%      3.7%      4.4%      5.6%
31-50 feet               33.3%       14.3%     6.7%      2.6%      4.2%
51+ feet                 -           0.0%      0.0%      0.0%      0.0%

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My last round I averaged two putts per hole, by missing more greens on the front and taking 14 putts, but hitting more greens on the back but having trouble with distance and taking 22 on the back.  Absolute truth that for most of us that the more GIRs that you accumulate the more putts you will as well.


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I do track putts per GIR simply by tracking hole by hole stats. I guess walking off the first putt isn't that hard and then estimating the length of putt made would be reasonable. I already track 8 stats so I guess 10 is no big deal. I'll need a bigger score card though :)

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I currently track Score, Fairway, GIR (I track +/- GIR so I can see how many times I am on in 1 over regulation etc.), Approach Shot (first shot at putting it on the green no matter what shot it is), Putts, Penalties, Tee Shot (1-5) and Shots from 50+ yards.

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Originally Posted by iacas

Putting

Last Round Last 5 Last 10 Last 20 Overall

Total Putts 29 29.00 28.60 27.50 29.38

First Putt 17.8 16.1 15.3 14.7 15.9

Putts per GIR 1.77 1.76 1.81 1.80 1.87

Putts per Missed GIR 1.20 1.39 1.33 1.26 1.42

GIR First Putt 19.5 19.7 20.2 20.9 22.4

Zero Putts 0 0.0 0.0 0.1 0.1

One Putts 7 7.0 7.4 8.3 6.6

Two Putts 11 11.0 10.6 9.6 11.1

Three Putts 0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.2

Total Distance Made 136 83.4 81.4 76.1 78.1

Putting Accuracy by Distance

Last Round Last 5 Last 10 Last 20 Overall

0-3 feet - 100% 100% 100% 98.9%

4-6 feet 75.0% 93.3% 96.0% 89.3% 83.3%

7-10 feet 50.0% 54.5% 54.2% 62.5% 39.7%

11-15 feet - 9.1% 24.2% 20.5% 18.8%

16-20 feet 0.0% 7.1% 6.9% 7.4% 11.4%

21-30 feet 33.3% 5.3% 3.7% 4.4% 5.6%

31-50 feet 33.3% 14.3% 6.7% 2.6% 4.2%

51+ feet - 0.0% 0.0% 0.0% 0.0%

No 3 putts the last 20 rounds!  I`d be happy if I went 20 holes without a 3 putt

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Originally Posted by MEfree

No 3 putts the last 20 rounds!  I`d be happy if I went 20 holes without a 3 putt

Good speed control + AimPoint. :)

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If you have a smart phone you should download the nikegolf 360 app.  You can keep track of whether you hit your drive straight, left, or right, putts, and based on your score and # of putts per hole, it also keeps track of your GIR.  It has scorecards from all the courses in your area as well.  I'm sure golflogix works the same way like Dave suggested but I found this one first and it's real easy to use.


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Originally Posted by iacas

Good speed control + AimPoint. :)

I`ve thought about AimPoint, but it is about a 3 hr r/t drive for me and I need to find a time when the dates offered fit into my schedule.  Seems like more guys on Tour should give it a go as your .2 per round overall 3 putt rate is lower than anyone on Tour since 1996 when Rick Fehr had only 14 three putts in 74 rounds.

You have talked about good speed control in other threads, but looking just at your stats for your last round, it seems like it was more a good job of making second putts rather than good speed control.  I say this because your stats show no putts within 3 feet.  Or do those stats only track the distance of your first putt and not your second?

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Originally Posted by MEfree

You have talked about good speed control in other threads, but looking just at your stats for your last round, it seems like it was more a good job of making second putts rather than good speed control.  I say this because your stats show no putts within 3 feet.  Or do those stats only track the distance of your first putt and not your second?

Yes, it only tracks first putts. We assume second putts are 3 feet long in our "putt distance holed" stat but otherwise ignore all but the first putt.

0.2% isn't difficult when you play on smaller, slower greens.

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I agree that 3 putting is less likely on small, smooth greens that are somewhat slower than Tour speed.  Unfortunately,  I play mostly on big greens with a fair bit of undulation that have been through a very tough winter (lack of snow had them hand watering them in January).

Originally Posted by iacas

Yes, it only tracks first putts. We assume second putts are 3 feet long in our "putt distance holed" stat but otherwise ignore all but the first putt.

0.2% isn't difficult when you play on smaller, slower greens.

You mean .2 three putts per 18 holes = 1.11% of the time, right?  Even this would be less than half the % of time that a good Tour Pro 3 putts.  Most years, there are more guys averaging over 4% 3 putts than there are guys who averaged less than 2% three putts.

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I use scorecard to track my putting stats. I look at all of them but in particular keep my eye on my Putts per GIR. If it gets too high I am either putting poorly, hitting it too far away from the hole, or both.

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I write down the distance of every putt.  Afterwards I put it into a spreadsheet and get an output similar to Erik's, but it counts every putt, not just first putts.  It also gives me average miss distance.  I also track approach shots, so I have hit% and distance from pin on the hits.

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Originally Posted by MEfree

You mean .2 three putts per 18 holes = 1.11% of the time, right?  Even this would be less than half the % of time that a good Tour Pro 3 putts.  Most years, there are more guys averaging over 4% 3 putts than there are guys who averaged less than 2% three putts.

Oh yeah. 0.2 three-putts per 18 holes. So one three-putt every five rounds of golf. Duh. My bad. I saw all the %s in the bottom chart and must have had it in my mind.

Today I played a course (I'll get the round up later) where I could have easily had two three-putts, for example. It was a bit of a goof-off round where we were somewhat serious until we got to the green and then we just kind of whacked the balls around.

In the first example I was on the back fringe of a par five with a deep green, pin on the front. I rolled the ball just off the front fringe. Then to "be aggressive" I rolled it ten feet by the hole. I made the ten footer, effectively one-putting for par. One putt. Three times using the putter. :)

The second time I brain farted on my read - really, I didn't trust it, then pulled it a little more than even the "didn't trust it" line - and had a ten footer for par on a par three. The first putt was from 50 feet away (the speed was dead on, I just putted up a tier that was more straight into me than sideways). I used AimPoint to drip that one in (without the charts, if you play with them enough you kind of know what the reads are).

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Originally Posted by Jason M Henley

Putts per round is nice but obviously can be misleading from round to round.

The PGA tracks all sorts of things using ShotLink like total distance of putts made and Strokes Gained but this takes some serious data.

Does anyone track anything other than putts per round and if so, how do you manage to do so without either taking forever on each green or completely distracting yourself with tons of info?

I keep hole by hole stats in a very easy simple way....

In the box below my score:

I mark F if I hit the fairway, G if I hit the green, number of putts, and sand save fail/succes....and penalties if they apply.   I enter the stats when I get home on an online site......and it calculates all the stats.

With regard to putting.....it breaks down average putts per round and putts in GIR automatically.

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