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Originally Posted by RonTheSavage

Agreed!

I guess Dan Marino wasn't a succesful (pocket) QB? I guess he should've become more "scrambly"

And yes "scrambly" is a new word LOL

For all the talk of Marino, the fact is that his teams got to and lost in the playoffs, frequently because he played badly.  Over-rated IMO.  In his one Super Bowl he put up a 66.9 passer rating.

And anyway, we aren't really talking about individuals.  We are talking about types.  Almost every Super Bowl has been won by a pocket QB.  NO running QBs have won the Super Bowl.  One scrambling QB (Steve Young, who later in his career ran when forced, not as planned plays - which is my definition of the difference between a scrambling QB and a running QB) has won the Super Bowl.

Will RG3 break the mold?  Maybe.  But the odds are against him.

But then again, what the hell do I know?

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With Kaep at QB, the offense definitely looked more dynamic. Alex Smith can't do too much on play action. The offense reminded me of Oregon's offense - seemed faster and was more spread out. I think I

JasonK88S
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i wouldnt say that but it was a pretty bad call... it would have been reviewed if Jim Schwartz would have known the rules. He even said "thats on me" after throwing his flag like an idiot. If I'm not

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Ooh, I got this one ...........  JaMarcus Russell! Seriously though, you may be right, but IT SEEMS like he also has the pocket passer skills that Steve Young and Warren Moon had, but that Vick

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Originally Posted by turtleback

For all the talk of Marino, the fact is that his teams got to and lost in the playoffs, frequently because he played badly.  Over-rated IMO.  In his one Super Bowl he put up a 66.9 passer rating.

And anyway, we aren't really talking about individuals.  We are talking about types.  Almost every Super Bowl has been won by a pocket QB.  NO running QBs have won the Super Bowl.  One scrambling QB (Steve Young, who later in his career ran when forced, not as planned plays - which is my definition of the difference between a scrambling QB and a running QB) has won the Super Bowl.

Will RG3 break the mold?  Maybe.  But the odds are against him.

I think Marino was the greatest passer in the history of the game. Note the word I used - passer. The quick release & his accuracy, coupled with good WRs - the Marks Brothers, Tony Nathan & others allowed him to break a ton of passing records. But defense wins championships, and those Dolphin teams did not have any defense - we used to call them the Olphins - no D.

So yeah, Marino got shut down in the playoffs cuz teams got 'hep to the Fins one-dimensional offense. And their defense couldn't contain the other team. That's why Dan never got a ring. He couldn't play Linebacker. And unfortunately for him, nobody else on those teams did either.


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RGIII?

         

 

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Originally Posted by JasonK88S

RGIII?

Timely injury. My Browns just won their third straight game...and Washington comes to town Sunday.


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RGIII MRI was negative, so he should be OK.  That young man needs to learn to slide!!!  The Ravens are starting to struggle.  Should be an interesting last four weeks.

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RonTheSavage Great Member

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Originally Posted by JasonK88S

RGIII?

Cam Newton?

And RG3 Will be fine, he just needs to go to Nationals spring training and learn how to sliiiiiiiiiiiide

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Originally Posted by turtleback

For all the talk of Marino, the fact is that his teams got to and lost in the playoffs, frequently because he played badly.  Over-rated IMO.  In his one Super Bowl he put up a 66.9 passer rating.

And anyway, we aren't really talking about individuals.  We are talking about types.  Almost every Super Bowl has been won by a pocket QB.  NO running QBs have won the Super Bowl.  One scrambling QB (Steve Young, who later in his career ran when forced, not as planned plays - which is my definition of the difference between a scrambling QB and a running QB) has won the Super Bowl.

Will RG3 break the mold?  Maybe.  But the odds are against him.

I just think the NFL is changing. We have more "athletes" playing QB now more than ever before. It's only a matter of time before pocket QB's are no longer the norm.

Ron :nike: GOLF Embracing my Angry Black Male :mad:


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Browns with a win... Three weeks in a row!? The Mayan calendar may be right!?

Rams also coming through? im starting to get worried.

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Go Browns!!

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But then again, what the hell do I know?

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Originally Posted by RonTheSavage

I just think the NFL is changing. We have more "athletes" playing QB now more than ever before. It's only a matter of time before pocket QB's are no longer the norm.


We'll see.  There are athletes on the other side too, just salivating over delivering the hit to these athletic running QBs.  And it has yet to be proven that a running QB can take a team all the way.

But then again, what the hell do I know?

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Originally Posted by turtleback

We'll see.  There are athletes on the other side too, just salivating over delivering the hit to these athletic running QBs.  And it has yet to be proven that a running QB can take a team all the way.

Very true. These guys cant wait for their chance to come one on one with a "runner"

         

 

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I just think the NFL is changing. We have more "athletes" playing QB now more than ever before. It's only a matter of time before pocket QB's are no longer the norm.

I don't agree with this.  If anything, the running QB is retro.  Cam Newton broke the rush TD record for a QB last year breaking Steve Grogan's record from 1976.  Many QBs ran back then.  The QB draw was a common play.  The Pocket passer and evolution of the passing game is a later development.

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RonTheSavage Great Member

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Originally Posted by JasonK88S

Very true. These guys cant wait for their chance to come one on one with a "runner"

These guys cant wait for the chance to hit a QB period. And more than a few had their chance at 6"4 250 lb Cam Newton on his long TD run last week but the result was a TD

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Originally Posted by turtleback

We'll see.  There are athletes on the other side too, just salivating over delivering the hit to these athletic running QBs.  And it has yet to be proven that a running QB can take a team all the way.

I agree that it has yet to be proven that a running QB can take a team all the way. But guys who get paid to scout talent and draft are drafting these guys and starting them very early. These guys have forgotten more football then I'll ever know so with that said it's fun to watch either way.

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Originally Posted by boogielicious

I don't agree with this.  If anything, the running QB is retro.  Cam Newton broke the rush TD record for a QB last year breaking Steve Grogan's record from 1976.  Many QBs ran back then.  The QB draw was a common play.  The Pocket passer and evolution of the passing game is a later development.

I stand by my post only because I was born in 76 so anything pre Im not familiar with. So I guess I should re-word it to say "The NFL that I know is changing" LOL

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