Effects of Lie Angle on Varying Degrees of Loft

[iacas]

Originally Posted by saevel25

You gave the driver example, how do club companies combat this inherent built in tendency to start the ball left, since a golf will return a driver at a flatter angle than the standard lie of the golf club? Shouldn't then all drivers always start left?

Let me ask you these questions:

1. Do you think most people slice?
2. Have you heard of a PGA Tour pro liking a very open clubface?

And fwiw a driver might droop more than the ... 4 degrees or so that I guessed, so that might take it to 6°. Or 4°.

[saevel25]

Make sense from a marketing standpoint.

So what do pro's do? Line up with the clubface way open, or is there driver's personally made to be flatter?

[iacas]

Originally Posted by saevel25

Make sense from a marketing standpoint.

So what do pro's do? Line up with the clubface way open, or is there driver's personally made to be flatter?

Bit of both. Plus I still don't know what the lie angle of the club is at impact with shaft droop. It might be less than the 8° I used as a guess.

[Mordan]

Originally Posted by saevel25

Here's a question, i feel like a ball above your feet will curve more left than a ball equally bellow your feat. I played a few times were the ball was at least 6 inches bellow my feet, and the ball didn't curve nearly as far right as a ball 6 inches above my feet. Is it due to the fact the club rotates open to close during the swing?

I think most people play a ball above their feet by soling the club pretty much at the angle of the slope, and gripping up/standing back a bit. But when the ball is below their feet they bend their knees but don't change the lie angle of the club anywhere nearly so much. I think if you found a 10 degree slope and got someone to check the lie angle of your club as you addressed a ball (or more accurately struck a ball) with it both above and below your feet you'd find that with it above your feet you're probably at -8 or -9 but with the ball below your feet it's probably more like +3 or +4.

[Mordan]

Originally Posted by iacas

So then we considered how this affects fitting. How about a modern driver, which is typically swung at 45-48° or so, but which has a lie angle of 58.5° (http://www.titleist.com/golf-clubs/drivers/913D3.aspx). That's a huge difference, but it's minimized somewhat from toe droop, so let's take it at 54° and look at assume the player is swinging at 46° - an 8° difference.

I didn't realise this. I've been having a bad time of it with my driver, especially finding a comfortable and consistent address position. Through a painful process of trial and error I'm now addressing the ball with what looks to me like a very open clubface with my driver. I'm trying to hit a fade but have still been hitting a lot of balls that are straight or straight draws. That makes more sense now.

If in fact the lie angle of my driver is meaning that I've got a pretty neutral club face at impact then what I've been seeing in terms of ball flight would make much more sense. It won't fix my driver issues but at least will stop me going mad wandering how I'm starting the ball straight or even slightly left with what looks like such an open club face.

[RetroJFrancisco]

My mind just exploded

[Big Lex]

Three years late to this party, but found the thread on a google search looking for quantification of directional errors related to lie angle.

FWIW, I would nominate this as perhaps the coolest thread in the history of The Sand Trap. It certainly has to be in the top 10.

[Phil McGleno]

11 minutes ago, Big Lex said:

Three years late to this party, but found the thread on a google search looking for quantification of directional errors related to lie angle.

FWIW, I would nominate this as perhaps the coolest thread in the history of The Sand Trap. It certainly has to be in the top 10.

Then give the first post a thumbs up-Or an arrow up. I am the only one to do it.

[Big Lex]

12 hours ago, Phil McGleno said:

Then give the first post a thumbs up-Or an arrow up. I am the only one to do it.

I don't know how or where to do this.....is that what the heart thingie is for?

[boogielicious]

9 minutes ago, Big Lex said:

I don't know how or where to do this.....is that what the heart thingie is for?

Yes.

[colin007]

On 12/9/2013 at 3:54 AM, RetroJFrancisco said:

My mind just exploded