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First things first fellow trappers: Evovlr is a great resource for getting personalized instruction. Its a really good program. It beats driving to the range, club, or shop to get lessons.

My instructor gave me some feedback that has really helped me evolve my game. That said, I am a bit confused about my shoulder turn (it will take time and I am patient).

He said that my arms were lifting too quickly whilst my shoulder rotation was slow/incomplete.

Does that mean that I need to hold off lifting my arms until my shoulder turn is 50%in motion on my backswing? I figure I am doing something stupid.

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Well, I know someone here who has officially taken himself out the running for a stupid monkey award .... I'm disappointed in you, Tstrike!

OK, seriously. Ask your instructor.

However, to indulge you, I'd film yourself swinging the club feeling only your shoulders turning and club head cocking on your backswing. Let the arms just do whatever they want. If they lift excessively like you say they do, then they'll just rise fine on their own.

Then check on the camera to see how much they are loading. See if it's better. You obviously don't want them to underload either, but in your case, overloading them may be worse.

But seriously, ask your instructor. A quick email about that doesn't hurt, especially since it has to do with something he mentioned to you already. I haven't checked your swing thread in a long time, so what I just said may be way off base. Hence, let your evolvr instructor give you these feel related suggestions.

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Didn't know that was going on.

I probably would NEVER qualify for Stupid Monkey award... I am too analytical LOL LOL...

Thanks Jet for the advice. Was just seeing if someone understood this in simpler terms. No disrespect to my instructor (who is quite awesome in my opinion).

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Originally Posted by tstrike34

Didn't know that was going on.

I probably would NEVER qualify for Stupid Monkey award... I am too analytical LOL LOL...

Thanks Jet for the advice. Was just seeing if someone understood this in simpler terms. No disrespect to my instructor (who is quite awesome in my opinion).

Hey don't sell yourself short. If you work hard enough, and listen to the evolvr instructor's advice, you'll get there eventually and win it.

Yea, you could ask him: "hey, should I just try to feel like I'm only turning my shoulders and cocking up the club on my backswing to decrease arm lifting?" Makes sense to me. You don't have any face on swing angles on your Youtube page so it's challenging to see the shoulder turn.

But, you'll notice that a ton of tour pros reach 90 degrees of turn when their arms are still parallel to the ground on the backswing.

Daniel Summerhays:

Turn your shoulders in a centered pivot (you know generally how to do that right?) and cock the club up and the arms might be fine on their own, from an excessive arm lifter stand point.

But of course, I still have to stress you over-riding whatever I say for what your instructor says.

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To keep it as simple as possible, some people feel like they don't EVER lift their arms.

My backswing feels like I only turn. Do my arms lift (I prefer "load") a little? Does my right elbow still bend? Yes. Does it feel like they do? Nope.

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Originally Posted by iacas

To keep it as simple as possible, some people feel like they don't EVER lift their arms.

My backswing feels like I only turn. Do my arms lift (I prefer "load") a little? Does my right elbow still bend? Yes. Does it feel like they do? Nope.

I agree with this, its taken me forever to develop the feel i want. Its still hit or miss, since its new compared to my old swing. For me its similar to Erik, i don't feel anything in my arms or hands in the swing. They just go. Really i like to feel the pressure were my arms meet my chest, and my right wrist. Besides that, i don't feel much, its basically if i get my hip turn the way i want, its pretty much automatic. Especially starting the swing. If i start the swing with my hands moving back, i start to get into trouble, and i will hit a pull cut or pull.

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Originally Posted by iacas

To keep it as simple as possible, some people feel like they don't EVER lift their arms.

My backswing feels like I only turn. Do my arms lift (I prefer "load") a little? Does my right elbow still bend? Yes. Does it feel like they do? Nope.

Thats really good to know.

Originally Posted by saevel25

I agree with this, its taken me forever to develop the feel i want. Its still hit or miss, since its new compared to my old swing. For me its similar to Erik, i don't feel anything in my arms or hands in the swing. They just go. Really i like to feel the pressure were my arms meet my chest, and my right wrist. Besides that, i don't feel much, its basically if i get my hip turn the way i want, its pretty much automatic. Especially starting the swing. If i start the swing with my hands moving back, i start to get into trouble, and i will hit a pull cut or pull.

I perhaps have asked the entirely wrong question. Saeve thanks to you, I now know what question I really want to ask...

Is there a Congressional Medal of Stupidity badge being awarded? I would like to nominate myself!

What I really want to know is how do I start my swing? My hands are hyper active. Do I start my swing with my shoulders and just let me hands&arm; do their thing in reaction to my shoulder turn?

This is good stuff guys! Thank you all!

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Originally Posted by tstrike34

Thats really good to know.

I perhaps have asked the entirely wrong question. Saeve thanks to you, I now know what question I really want to ask...

Is there a Congressional Medal of Stupidity badge being awarded? I would like to nominate myself!

What I really want to know is how do I start my swing? My hands are hyper active. Do I start my swing with my shoulders and just let me hands&arm; do their thing in reaction to my shoulder turn?

This is good stuff guys! Thank you all!

Depends on the person. I was taught to start the swing with my hands first with a slight shoulder rotation (1 piece take away), and it developed into either no hip turn, and huge lateral movement; or getting my right arm stuck way behind me in the swing. For me, i have to start with my hips first. My body is conditioned to do the old swing, so starting hips first really lets me get room for my arms to move and it really simplified the golf swing for me.

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Originally Posted by tstrike34

Thats really good to know.

I perhaps have asked the entirely wrong question. Saeve thanks to you, I now know what question I really want to ask...

Is there a Congressional Medal of Stupidity badge being awarded? I would like to nominate myself!

What I really want to know is how do I start my swing? My hands are hyper active. Do I start my swing with my shoulders and just let me hands&arm; do their thing in reaction to my shoulder turn?

This is good stuff guys! Thank you all!

I think there are multiple ways to start the swing, and no "correct" way to do it. I start with my shoulders, but my wrists aren't far behind and it all meets in the correct position at the top of the backswing.

It's hard to know what you are talking about without some pictures or something. When I picture that though, I picture someone whose swing arc is way to vertical compared to the angle of their spine. You should just be rotating really, your arms shouldn't be getting much further from your torso (lifting). Maybe you aren't bent over enough, or possibly you just have a very vertical swing.

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Thank you so much for this thread - I've been playing for so long thinking that I needed to push my arms back as far as they could go, along with the full shoulder turn... This is so much better...

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To keep it as simple as possible, some people feel like they don't EVER lift their arms. My backswing feels like I only turn. Do my arms lift (I prefer "load") a little? Does my right elbow still bend? Yes. Does it feel like they do? Nope.

This...the only way I was able to finally get into a decent loaded position was to feel as if my arms do nothing on the way back. It is generally now the one and only thing I really think about in the course.

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