• Announcements

    • iacas

      Introducing TST "Clubs!"   08/28/2017

      No, we're not getting into the equipment business, but we do have "clubs" here on TST now. Groups. Check them out here:
Sign in to follow this  
tstrike34

Confused. Arms lift faster than shoulder rotation.

Recommended Posts

First things first fellow trappers: Evovlr is a great resource for getting personalized instruction. Its a really good program. It beats driving to the range, club, or shop to get lessons.

My instructor gave me some feedback that has really helped me evolve my game. That said, I am a bit confused about my shoulder turn (it will take time and I am patient).

He said that my arms were lifting too quickly whilst my shoulder rotation was slow/incomplete.

Does that mean that I need to hold off lifting my arms until my shoulder turn is 50%in motion on my backswing? I figure I am doing something stupid.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Sign up (or log in) today! It's free (and you won't see this ad anymore)!

Sign up (or log in) today! It's free (and you won't see this ad anymore)!

Well, I know someone here who has officially taken himself out the running for a stupid monkey award .... I'm disappointed in you, Tstrike!

OK, seriously. Ask your instructor.

However, to indulge you, I'd film yourself swinging the club feeling only your shoulders turning and club head cocking on your backswing. Let the arms just do whatever they want. If they lift excessively like you say they do, then they'll just rise fine on their own.

Then check on the camera to see how much they are loading. See if it's better. You obviously don't want them to underload either, but in your case, overloading them may be worse.

But seriously, ask your instructor. A quick email about that doesn't hurt, especially since it has to do with something he mentioned to you already. I haven't checked your swing thread in a long time, so what I just said may be way off base. Hence, let your evolvr instructor give you these feel related suggestions.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

Didn't know that was going on.

I probably would NEVER qualify for Stupid Monkey award... I am too analytical LOL LOL...

Thanks Jet for the advice. Was just seeing if someone understood this in simpler terms. No disrespect to my instructor (who is quite awesome in my opinion).

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Originally Posted by tstrike34

Didn't know that was going on.

I probably would NEVER qualify for Stupid Monkey award... I am too analytical LOL LOL...

Thanks Jet for the advice. Was just seeing if someone understood this in simpler terms. No disrespect to my instructor (who is quite awesome in my opinion).

Hey don't sell yourself short. If you work hard enough, and listen to the evolvr instructor's advice, you'll get there eventually and win it.

Yea, you could ask him: "hey, should I just try to feel like I'm only turning my shoulders and cocking up the club on my backswing to decrease arm lifting?" Makes sense to me. You don't have any face on swing angles on your Youtube page so it's challenging to see the shoulder turn.

But, you'll notice that a ton of tour pros reach 90 degrees of turn when their arms are still parallel to the ground on the backswing.

Daniel Summerhays:

Turn your shoulders in a centered pivot (you know generally how to do that right?) and cock the club up and the arms might be fine on their own, from an excessive arm lifter stand point.

But of course, I still have to stress you over-riding whatever I say for what your instructor says.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

To keep it as simple as possible, some people feel like they don't EVER lift their arms.

My backswing feels like I only turn. Do my arms lift (I prefer "load") a little? Does my right elbow still bend? Yes. Does it feel like they do? Nope.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

Originally Posted by iacas

To keep it as simple as possible, some people feel like they don't EVER lift their arms.

My backswing feels like I only turn. Do my arms lift (I prefer "load") a little? Does my right elbow still bend? Yes. Does it feel like they do? Nope.

I agree with this, its taken me forever to develop the feel i want. Its still hit or miss, since its new compared to my old swing. For me its similar to Erik, i don't feel anything in my arms or hands in the swing. They just go. Really i like to feel the pressure were my arms meet my chest, and my right wrist. Besides that, i don't feel much, its basically if i get my hip turn the way i want, its pretty much automatic. Especially starting the swing. If i start the swing with my hands moving back, i start to get into trouble, and i will hit a pull cut or pull.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

Originally Posted by iacas

To keep it as simple as possible, some people feel like they don't EVER lift their arms.

My backswing feels like I only turn. Do my arms lift (I prefer "load") a little? Does my right elbow still bend? Yes. Does it feel like they do? Nope.

Thats really good to know.

Originally Posted by saevel25

I agree with this, its taken me forever to develop the feel i want. Its still hit or miss, since its new compared to my old swing. For me its similar to Erik, i don't feel anything in my arms or hands in the swing. They just go. Really i like to feel the pressure were my arms meet my chest, and my right wrist. Besides that, i don't feel much, its basically if i get my hip turn the way i want, its pretty much automatic. Especially starting the swing. If i start the swing with my hands moving back, i start to get into trouble, and i will hit a pull cut or pull.

I perhaps have asked the entirely wrong question. Saeve thanks to you, I now know what question I really want to ask...

Is there a Congressional Medal of Stupidity badge being awarded? I would like to nominate myself!

What I really want to know is how do I start my swing? My hands are hyper active. Do I start my swing with my shoulders and just let me hands&arm; do their thing in reaction to my shoulder turn?

This is good stuff guys! Thank you all!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Originally Posted by tstrike34

Thats really good to know.

I perhaps have asked the entirely wrong question. Saeve thanks to you, I now know what question I really want to ask...

Is there a Congressional Medal of Stupidity badge being awarded? I would like to nominate myself!

What I really want to know is how do I start my swing? My hands are hyper active. Do I start my swing with my shoulders and just let me hands&arm; do their thing in reaction to my shoulder turn?

This is good stuff guys! Thank you all!

Depends on the person. I was taught to start the swing with my hands first with a slight shoulder rotation (1 piece take away), and it developed into either no hip turn, and huge lateral movement; or getting my right arm stuck way behind me in the swing. For me, i have to start with my hips first. My body is conditioned to do the old swing, so starting hips first really lets me get room for my arms to move and it really simplified the golf swing for me.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

Originally Posted by tstrike34

Thats really good to know.

I perhaps have asked the entirely wrong question. Saeve thanks to you, I now know what question I really want to ask...

Is there a Congressional Medal of Stupidity badge being awarded? I would like to nominate myself!

What I really want to know is how do I start my swing? My hands are hyper active. Do I start my swing with my shoulders and just let me hands&arm; do their thing in reaction to my shoulder turn?

This is good stuff guys! Thank you all!

I think there are multiple ways to start the swing, and no "correct" way to do it. I start with my shoulders, but my wrists aren't far behind and it all meets in the correct position at the top of the backswing.

It's hard to know what you are talking about without some pictures or something. When I picture that though, I picture someone whose swing arc is way to vertical compared to the angle of their spine. You should just be rotating really, your arms shouldn't be getting much further from your torso (lifting). Maybe you aren't bent over enough, or possibly you just have a very vertical swing.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Thank you so much for this thread - I've been playing for so long thinking that I needed to push my arms back as far as they could go, along with the full shoulder turn... This is so much better...

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

To keep it as simple as possible, some people feel like they don't EVER lift their arms. My backswing feels like I only turn. Do my arms lift (I prefer "load") a little? Does my right elbow still bend? Yes. Does it feel like they do? Nope.

This...the only way I was able to finally get into a decent loaded position was to feel as if my arms do nothing on the way back. It is generally now the one and only thing I really think about in the course.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now

Sign in to follow this  



  • Want to join this community?

    We'd love to have you!

    Sign Up
  • 2017 TST Partners

    Talamore Golf Resort
    PING Golf
    FlightScope Mevo
    Mission Belt
    Snell Golf
    Frogger Golf
    PitchFix USA
  • Posts

    • Venturing out to the Marine Base today. Have not played there in some time. Hope to get a tee time around 10:30 as a walk on. Short notice, but anybody that can make it.... (also have to stop by the exchange...it seems that S.W.M.B.O.  has run out of Chanel Nr 5...this constitutes an emergency).
    • @Vinsk The only thing I can really do is describe what I have felt/done. I played my best lead arm dominant golf with the intent of the lead arm being soft and swinging like a pendulum very vertically.  So,  what I mean is what worked for me was to let's say just stand normally no club in hand and then swing the lead arm at about a 45 degree angle to the chest.  Left shoulder swing center. Relative to golf posture I would imagine a straight line on the ground maybe 35-40 degrees from the inside and swing my lead arm on that line feeling like the hands never got outside that line.  The feel I used was left arm feeling like it was swinging vertically like a pendulum but right on the imagined line of approach.  So the line of approach let's say ball is 12 o'clock target is at 9 the line would be around 4 o'clock. The trail arm in this method just added support but never dictated the clubhead motion.  This method worked well for me but I moved on to other things and can't really even make it workable anymore.  The crucial aspect was that the location of that vertical left arm pendulum created the body motion.  It was similar to the Malaska type deal a bit. So,  now it's very different.  Now the basis of my swing is like if you stood there with a piece of wood horizontal at waist height with a nail in it and a hammer in the trail hand and hammered the nail. So,  kinda like a bicep curl.  The lead arm is basically inert or soft.  The motion is controlled by the trail hand arc.  Feels like the swings center is more the right elbow to me.  My feel is that I try to hammer back through address.  I just try to remain still and make that motion. My body moves only a bit.  I never felt with either method when playing well that I was aggressively pivoting but that my body moves turns in accommodation of the master intention.   The downward hammer arc basically kicks the clubhead out at the bottom.  For me I stay in pretty decent shape with steady head doing this and the clubhead carries me into the finish.  If you have watched Malaska it's kinda like a right arm Malaska deal.  It's not complicated.   I don't shift weight bump hips squat or post up or try to spin the shoulders.  The swing gets me to my lead side every time without thinking about it.    For me this style is very very easy on my body.   Thats my ramblings on that for now,  @Vinsk.  You have a unique situation.  I do know that I can't play well without having one side or the other be the master.  Trail or lead.      
    • Yes, it's surprising that you can get a ball to stop or slow down with a partial swing or even a putting stroke. The ball you use likely makes a big difference in these cases.
  • Blog Entries

  • Today's Birthdays

    1. billymo2
      billymo2
      (25 years old)
    2. bostonboy9416
      bostonboy9416
      (17 years old)
    3. kpaulhus
      kpaulhus
      (30 years old)
  • Get Great Gear with Amazon