My Swing (Abu3baid)

[mvmac]

12 minutes ago, collapse said:

This is a closed face pointing to the sky.

As @billchao showed you, the face isn't closed just before impact. Dustin Johnson is shut at the top and he hits push draws (meaning the face is RIGHT of his target at impact). This isn't really an opinion thing @collapse, you hit the ball on the heel and the face will "close".

[iacas]

17 minutes ago, collapse said:

This is a closed face pointing to the sky.

In addition to what @mvmac said, it pretty closely matches the angle of his left arm, so it's not really "closed" in that sense, either. If his left arm was higher, the clubface would be "more open." The only other way would be to cup his left wrist, which is often a far worse thing.

And again, as Mike pointed out that @billchao said, his clubface is NOT closed just prior to or at impact. @Abu3baid has said he mostly pushes the ball, too.

[Ernest Jones]

19 minutes ago, collapse said:

This is a closed face pointing to the sky.

Good thing he's not hitting the ball from there, eh? Friggin' thing would shoot straight up in the air!

A4 is not A7...

[Abu3baid]

2 hours ago, iacas said:

The face shuts quickly because of the heel contact.

Eyad, do you ever practice? We almost never see it. Some of the times have been warmups before you go play… but you never seem to actually practice.

Slicers tend to leave their weight back and their golf balls start left and slice.

Nope, I am guilty of not practicing..  Probably main reason why I am not really getting any better.. No excuses, I know how to practice, I know what my priority piece (same one Brian gave me a few months ago), l need to change this and maybe try to get to the range once a week.

49 minutes ago, mvmac said:

Yep @collapse, it's just the gear effect from the heel hit. Just how the opposite happens with a toe hit.

@Abu3baid, clean up that backswing, hips more centered and speed up the arms on the downswing. Like you're throwing a spear into the ground just ahead of the ball.

Thank you,  I will work on the pivot stuff at home and will try that feel on the range when I get a chance..  Am I trying to close the gap between my arms and body at A6?  Plus trying to get more of an inline impact I'm assuming?  Would you recommend the feel of the right elbow staying against my side on the DS or could that cause more trouble later?

32 minutes ago, collapse said:

This is a closed face pointing to the sky.

Fine it's shut... This isn't really productive though, I'm sorry for being blunt.  Maybe it's my fault for sharing a bad hit.

13 minutes ago, Ernest Jones said:

Good thing he's not hitting the ball from there, eh? Friggin' thing would shoot straight up in the air!

A4 is not A7...

Hilarious!   

[iacas]

5 minutes ago, Abu3baid said:

Nope, I am guilty of not practicing..  Probably main reason why I am not really getting any better.. No excuses, I know how to practice, I know what my priority piece (same one Brian gave me a few months ago), l need to change this and maybe try to get to the range once a week.

You said your goal is to average 85 in 2016?

I think the odds are slim to none, given how long you've already been playing golf, that you'll even sniff that goal unless you make a dramatic change to the way you apportion your practice and play time. Some people can average 85 without practicing much. All available evidence points to you not being one of those people.

Bear in mind that's just if you want to reach your goal. If you don't enjoy practice and can't learn to do so, then you'll have to find a way to "enjoy" shooting 100. Plenty of people do it… and it doesn't make you a bad person at all.

[Abu3baid]

1 minute ago, iacas said:

You said your goal is to average 85 in 2016?

I think the odds are slim to none, given how long you've already been playing golf, that you'll even sniff that goal unless you make a dramatic change to the way you apportion your practice and play time. Some people can average 85 without practicing much. All available evidence points to you not being one of those people.

Bear in mind that's just if you want to reach your goal. If you don't enjoy practice and can't learn to do so, then you'll have to find a way to "enjoy" shooting 100. Plenty of people do it… and it doesn't make you a bad person at all.

Ughhh.. I think you are right..  But the bold above is just not feasible.. So, I either figure something out or just brace my self for a miserable 2016.. :)

The only thing going for me will be my yearly trip home, and just working with Joe for a month..  

Or I can always buy new equipment?  Will they help?

Thanks for the wake up call, I needed it.. 

[mvmac]

27 minutes ago, Abu3baid said:

Am I trying to close the gap between my arms and body at A6?  Plus trying to get more of an inline impact I'm assuming?  

Yeah your arms are "late" compared to the rest of your body coming into impact.

27 minutes ago, Abu3baid said:

Would you recommend the feel of the right elbow staying against my side on the DS or could that cause more trouble later?

No, I'd recommend speeding up the right arm. Again the sticking the spear in the ground image/feel.

Like this except I would throw the ball at a spot a foot or so in front of the ball on the ground.

And this,

 

[bubble]

I believe his arms are late because he flips his arms and hand to hit the ball no turn/coil, pull/tract and whip it.

you use pure muscle not mechanics. You probably may score well because you probably hit it long and seam very athletic.

furthermore the swing has not changed much since the beginning.

Yet I dont think you have yet understood/felt the golf modern swing concept. This is very common and unacceptable (for the sport, the why is to determine)...and this is a snow ball effect growing long term trap for you.

take lessons please, stick to them, and avoid forum stuff if possible.

you must start all over with your understanding. 

nevertheless :

the first thing I see is your arms and hands have moved (a lot) in 1-2 seconds, without your shoulders pivoting.

(your club face should stay square to your shoulder turn).

at one point the club is then upside down and you should turn with legs towards the target, the hips are turned with leg action, the shoulders tracts your arms, the clubs inverses and wips the ball hard. any tension or action in arms and hands eliminate the fast and straight whip action.

to feel a tiny bit of this concept : take your posture without a club. lift only the left arm up 90°. then, without moving anything else, turn your shoulders 90° to the right. (you should be perfect here for a down swing).

now pull the left arm and hand straight down as hard as you can and resist equally with the right leg pushing up.

you should obviously pivot weight forward and do a "left back hand slap" on the target ball line. 

Next, try the same "feeling" drill without pulling the left arm down. let it just drop free  because of your pivot action. let it be tracted. not pull or pushed. 

[iacas]

3 hours ago, bubble said:

I believe his arms are late because he flips his arms and hand to hit the ball no turn/coil, pull/tract and whip it.

I think you have it backward. The hands flip because the arms are slow to come down.

3 hours ago, bubble said:

take lessons please, stick to them, and avoid forum stuff if possible.

He has taken lessons… including from the same people helping him on the forum.You don't seem have read much of this thread. His problem is that he never practices, not a lack of understanding of what he should do. He doesn't do what he knows he should do. He hasn't trained himself properly.

3 hours ago, bubble said:

(your club face should stay square to your shoulder turn).

at one point the club is then upside down and you should turn with legs towards the target, the hips are turned with leg action, the shoulders tracts your arms, the clubs inverses and wips the ball hard. any tension or action in arms and hands eliminate the fast and straight whip action.

to feel a tiny bit of this concept : take your posture without a club. lift only the left arm up 90°. then, without moving anything else, turn your shoulders 90° to the right. (you should be perfect here for a down swing).

That doesn't make sense, because the left forearm rotates about 90° throughout the backswing. The clubface doesn't stay square to the arc, the shoulder turn… etc.

@bubble, the help is appreciated, and the opinions, etc. but please read a little of the thread before posting.

[mvmac]

11 hours ago, bubble said:

I believe his arms are late because he flips his arms and hand to hit the ball no turn/coil, pull/tract and whip it.

Yeah that doesn't make any sense. "Lag happens" as a reaction to sequencing things properly. Golfers don't just flip for the heck of it. Did you watch those videos I posted?

[bubble]

I'm sorry I can't read 35 pages of the topic. I watched several videos and replies.

I insist that on all his videos his hands and arms move the club 1-2 yards without any coil of the shoulder.

It's a hand swing to my point of view.

he will stay stuck in this intense muscular hand/arm action until he gets the concept

[Abu3baid]

31 minutes ago, bubble said:

I'm sorry I can't read 35 pages of the topic. I watched several videos and replies.

I insist that on all his videos his hands and arms move the club 1-2 yards without any coil of the shoulder.

It's a hand swing to my point of view.

he will stay stuck in this intense muscular hand/arm action until he gets the concept

I appreciate the feed back.. excuse my ignorance as I don't understand what you mean by moving 1-2 yards without any coil of the shoulders.. Can you show me an example of what I should be doing?  You are right, I don't understand this concept you speak of, if you could be kind enough to explain?  Thanks

@mvmac I love all of those drills in that first video.. worked on them last night and I can really feel the difference in what my arms are doing in comparison to my body.. especially the drill with putting my left arm straight and swinging my right arm through all the way to the end.. I will keep doing this, and see if it makes a difference the next time I video..

 

[Abu3baid]

I will try and regularly update this thread with the drills I will be working on both on and off the range..  Even when I go play I will work on the range before I tee off (i.e. I won't just be warming up)

here are the two main drills I just started working on to help speed my arm on the way down (thanks to mike for the vids).

It is also helping with getting used to the wrists hinging much earlier than they are in my swing on the BS.  

Probably not doing exactly the way I should, but it's a start, I'll have to watch the video again and work on it some more, this is one of the few drills where speed matters and you really can't do it with slow speeds.. Maybe I need to slow down the BS a little so that it more replicates a real BS though.

[Abu3baid]

Had a chance to video tape before my round today, I think I will start up with evolvr again although maybe the priority will still be the same as @mvmac mentioned of getting my arms to come down faster, I don't know.

 

 

My round could have been much better than it was..  I had a +4 and a +3 X 3 and shot a 96 for the day.  The last hole was just not fair.. I drive it around 270, hit my 7i to the back of the green and then get to less than 10 feet with my wedge, then go ahead and 4 putt from there.. really??  

A couple rounds under a 100 in a row though, so that's an improvement..  

[billchao]

Right elbow, @Abu3baid

[iacas]

2 hours ago, billchao said:

Right elbow, @Abu3baid

Yes, but… what's the point if he's never going to practice?

Eyad, like I said in the other thread, you've either gotta be content to shoot the same scores as always, or you've gotta find a way to ENJOY PRACTICING PROPERLY. I think you've said your time is valuable (as is everyone's), but you've gotta find a way to hit golf balls while practicing properly.

Or not, because again, I have no problem with someone who just enjoys playing golf continuing to enjoy playing golf.

[collapse]

Abu...the next time you video yourself at the range,could you start by walking into the video with the club so we can see you gripping the club.You must have more pages,views replies than anyone not to mention range/practice videos going, but something isn't working right.....keep in mind what doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different result means.

[iacas]

51 minutes ago, collapse said:

Abu...the next time you video yourself at the range,could you start by walking into the video with the club so we can see you gripping the club.You must have more pages,views replies than anyone not to mention range/practice videos going, but something isn't working right.....keep in mind what doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different result means.

There's little point in that. He could change his grip and his swing flaws would still be the same.

The grip is not nearly as important as you say, and we're now telling you this in multiple topics. It's easy to fix (so we tweak or fix it with a lot of our students), but it doesn't end up changing very much.

Plus, as a good instructor, you can see the golfer's grip throughout the swing - you don't need to see video of the person taking the grip.

You've never offered a single bit of evidence that supports how important the grip is except to point out the Ben Hogan wrote about it in one of his books for 18 pages.