When will tour players call out Keegan Bradley?

[Reval14]

When you address the clubhead behind the ball you push down the grass. Is this considered as changing the lie of the ball or not?

[colin007]

When you address the clubhead behind the ball you push down the grass. Is this considered as changing the lie of the ball or not?

If you reduce the amount of grass sticking up behind the ball, so that there'll be less grass between the clubface and the ball, them that's improving your lie.

[Reval14]

If you reduce the amount of grass sticking up behind the ball, so that there'll be less grass between the clubface and the ball, them that's improving your lie.

And how do you address the ball then? Hover above the grass or just place the clubhead behind the ball so there is still the grass in between?

[colin007]

And how do you address the ball then? Hover above the grass or just place the clubhead behind the ball so there is still the grass in between?

If you're in the fairway, then no issues since there's not really any grass sticking up. If you're in the rough then you'd better not push down any grass directly behind the ball.

[Monte the Bear]

Post a video, or I'm inclined to side with @David in FL in this case.

How do I post a video if one does not exist!!

You have to watch the guy in the rough and that is down to the vagaries of the US networks, if you don't follow him around the course.

[Lihu]

How do I post a video if one does not exist!!

You have to watch the guy in the rough and that is down to the vagaries of the US networks, if you don't follow him around the course.

Funny you mention this. I followed him, Kuchar and Woodland for a little more than an hour last month. Didn't really see anything out of the ordinary. He was in the rough (trees, near bunkers, etc.), more than once.

[Zeph]

Quote:

13-2 . Improving Lie, Area Of Intended Stance Or Swing, Or Line Of Play

A player must not improve or allow to be improved:

• the position or lie of his ball ,
• the area of his intended Stance or swing,
• his Line Of Play or a reasonable extension of that line beyond the Hole , or
• the area in which he is to drop or place a ball,

by any of the following actions:

• pressing a club on the ground,
• moving, bending or breaking anything growing or fixed (including immovable Obstructions and objects defining Out Of Bounds ),
• creating or eliminating irregularities of surface,
• removing or pressing down sand, loose soil, replaced divots or other cut turf placed in position, or
• removing dew, frost or water.

However, the player incurs no penalty if the action occurs:

• in grounding the club lightly when Addressing The Ball ,
• in fairly taking his Stance ,
• in making a Stroke or the backward movement of his club for a Stroke and the Stroke is made,
• in creating or eliminating irregularities of surface within the Teeing Ground or in removing dew, frost or water from the Teeing Ground , or
• on the Putting Green in removing sand and loose soil or in repairing damage (Rule 16-1 ).

As long as you don't press the club down, you are allowed to put it down behind the ball in the rough. The issue in this thread, is that players repeat this process 4-5 times and potentially improving the lie a little each time. I would like to see a comment on this from the USGA. If there are no rules to prohibit you from doing it 5 times, can you do it 10 times? 15? You don't even have to walk back and forth like Keegan. You can address the ball, step back, address it again, etc.

[iacas]

How do I post a video if one does not exist!!

Just record it. That way we can see the actions that prompted the comments (and hear the comments too).

[Mulligan Jeff]

A look at PGA Tour Stats reveals the difference that seperates the top ten players amoung scoring average is less than one stroke. Any measure they can take, within the rules, will keep them one step ahead of the rest. Hence addressing the ball in the rough with unforeseen intent of pushing down grass to separate from ball. Heck, how many players mark their ball on green in a questionable manner.