Shootings in Alabama

[jusanothajoe]

Two workplace shootings in one week. Both seem to have been committed by terminated employees. Both were about ten miles from where I work. As a supervisor that has to terminate employees when necessary myself, I'm glad I live in a state that allows me to carry and protect myself. Believe it or not, there ARE bad people out there.

[MS256]

Two workplace shootings in one week. Both seem to have been committed by terminated employees. Both were about ten miles from where I work. As a supervisor that has to terminate employees when necessary myself, I'm glad I live in a state that allows me to carry and protect myself. Believe it or not, there ARE bad people out there.

I was pretty lucky that during the 18 years I was a supervisor I didn't have to fire anybody. There were times I had to figure out a way to motivate people to do better but always figured out something that would work.

There was one employee that blamed me for getting fired by the General Manager but I had nothing to do with the firing. I would have handled the situation short of firing the guy but my boss was more hardnosed about it when he got word of it.

That employee told people for quite a few years that when he saw me he was going to whip my ass. When those people would tell me that I would just shake my head and say he knows where I am.

In regards to carrying: I'm not sure how safe that makes any of us if somebody truly wants to shoot us. If some nut-case wants to sit across a parking lot and shoot us having a gun is not going to stop it.

[jusanothajoe]

I was pretty lucky that during the 18 years I was a supervisor I didn't have to fire anybody. There were times I had to figure out a way to motivate people to do better but always figured out something that would work.

There was one employee that blamed me for getting fired by the General Manager but I had nothing to do with the firing. I would have handled the situation short of firing the guy but my boss was more hardnosed about it when he got word of it.

That employee told people for quite a few years that when he saw me he was going to whip my ass. When those people would tell me that I would just shake my head and say he knows where I am.

In regards to carrying: I'm not sure how safe that makes any of us if somebody truly wants to shoot us. If some nut-case wants to sit across a parking lot and shoot us having a gun is not going to stop it.

I have not been as lucky, I have had to fire numerous workers in the 6 years I have been a supervisor. And you are right, if someone really wants to get at you they can. But I will at least have a chance to protect myself....................... A better one than if I was unarmed.

I may go down, but I will go down returning fire.

[dsc123]

Two workplace shootings in one week. Both seem to have been committed by terminated employees. Both were about ten miles from where I work. As a supervisor that has to terminate employees when necessary myself, I'm glad I live in a state that allows me to carry and protect myself. Believe it or not, there ARE bad people out there.

If I were you, I'd wish I lived in a state where those lunatics weren't allowed to carry to "protect themselves."

[bste]

If I were you, I'd wish I lived in a state where those lunatics weren't allowed to carry to "protect themselves."

What states don't allow a concealed weapons permit?

[jusanothajoe]

If I were you, I'd wish I lived in a state where those lunatics weren't allowed to carry to "protect themselves."

If I'm not mistaken, Thanks to the bill of rights, you can carry in every state, just not concealed.  Glad your not me.

[jusanothajoe]

What states don't allow a concealed weapons permit?

Illinois

[dsc123]

Where I live, Maryland, and where I work, DC, you need a permit and can only get one upon a showing of good cause.  In DC, that's the new law passed because the flat out ban was struck down.

I actually support the right to bear arms, but for completely different reasons.  I just think these "protect myself" from the lunatic arguments are bunk.  If a guy walked into your office to kill you, you likely would never have a chance.  Maybe in the context of a mass shooting, but I don't think we've ever seen a private carrying citizen stop one of those, either.

[dsc123]

If I'm not mistaken, Thanks to the bill of rights, you can carry in every state, just not concealed.  Glad your not me.

In Maryland, it depends on the gun.  You can't carry a handgun without a permit, concealed or not, unless you have a permit.  And the permits, like I said, are basically impossible to get.  You could carry a rifle, I suppose.

DC's long standing ban on open/concealed carry was struck down this summer.  I'm pretty sure the city council just passed a law last week that is the same as MD, requiring "good cause" to get a permit.

[David in FL]

Illinois

Surprisingly, no longer. Every state now allows for some form of concealed carry. The vast majority, something like 42 off the top of my head, are "shall issue" states, meaning the state must issue a permit to anyone who meets the basic eligibility requirements. The remaining handful are "may issue", where you may or may not be issued a permit depending on the somewhat subjective determination of perceived need....

[jusanothajoe]

Where I live, Maryland, and where I work, DC, you need a permit and can only get one upon a showing of good cause.  In DC, that's the new law passed because the flat out ban was struck down.

I actually support the right to bear arms, but for completely different reasons.  I just think these "protect myself" from the lunatic arguments are bunk.  If a guy walked into your office to kill you, you likely would never have a chance.  Maybe in the context of a mass shooting, but I don't think we've ever seen a private carrying citizen stop one of those, either.

Not to sound harsh, but I think your argument is bunk. One thing for sure, if no private citizen IS carrying, you will never see one of these stopped. If someone walks into my office with a gun, the only way I have NO chance is if I am unarmed. Protection is the #1 reason for carrying. Like I said, if someone chooses to stick their head in the sand and not admit there are bad people in this world, that is your choice. I choose differently.

[Golfingdad]

Yay!!!  Another 2nd amendment debate.  Certainly this one is going to be productive and civil and somebody is going to change somebody else's mind.  I just know it!!

[jusanothajoe]

Yay!!!  Another 2nd amendment debate.  Certainly this one is going to be productive and civil and somebody is going to change somebody else's mind.  I just know it!!

Or we could just start checking with you for approval for thread subjects. You can support the right to do drugs, I'll support the right to carry.

[cipher]

[QUOTE name="Golfingdad" url="/t/77361/shootings-in-alabama#post_1059249"]   Yay!!!  Another 2nd amendment debate.  Certainly this one is going to be productive and civil and somebody is going to change somebody else's mind.  I just know it!! [/QUOTE] I am just waiting patiently for my buddy to show up. I am excited for the incite.

[dsc123]

Not to sound harsh, but I think your argument is bunk. One thing for sure, if no private citizen IS carrying, you will never see one of these stopped. If someone walks into my office with a gun, the only way I have NO chance is if I am unarmed. Protection is the #1 reason for carrying. Like I said, if someone chooses to stick their head in the sand and not admit there are bad people in this world, that is your choice. I choose differently.

I agree.  Because nobody would have a gun, including the lunatic.  Nothing to stop.

I'm the tin foil hat wearing weirdo who thinks that we need guns to protect us from the government, not the crazy guy next door.  If we restrict guns, the crazy guy doesn't have them either.  But the government still does.  So it really only gives you a comparative disadvantage vis a vis the government, while likely protecting you from the crazy person.

[David in FL]

Yay!!!  Another 2nd amendment debate.  Certainly this one is going to be productive and civil and somebody is going to change somebody else's mind.  I just know it!!

Interestingly, given the rather dramatic national change in carry rights over the past few years, it appears that minds are changing. Certainly not all, but a lot, even in states where you might not have anticipated such a dramatic movement. Baby steps..... :-)

[jusanothajoe]

I agree.  Because nobody would have a gun, including the lunatic.  Nothing to stop.

I'm the tin foil hat wearing weirdo who thinks that we need guns to protect us from the government, not the crazy guy next door.  If we restrict guns, the crazy guy doesn't have them either.  But the government still does.  So it really only gives you a comparative disadvantage vis a vis the government, while likely protecting you from the crazy person.

If guns were made illegal today you think no one would have a gun ? Criminals don't obey laws. It would only take guns away from honest people.

I see your tin foil hat and raise you my bullet proof vest.

[Golfingdad]

I am just waiting patiently for my buddy to show up. I am excited for the incite.

LOL, that is clever!!!

Or we could just start checking with you for approval for thread subjects. You can support the right to do drugs, I'll support the right to carry.

Why so defensive??  What makes you automatically assume that since I think it's silly to argue this topic again that I am on the opposite side of it?