Chris Como Named Tiger's New Coach

[Jakester23]

I disagree. He's gotten in trouble because he was overthinking it. It will take time to get away from that, but he has said himself that it is his intent. That's why he's gone back to watching himself as a kid. He is as aware as anybody that he can't swing like that anymore, but he is looking at the athleticism and the freedom. It's a nice fallback position to have, having been the best player on the planet at one time and it's not like he's ready for the Senior Tour just yet.

That's what I've gotten out of all the things he's said about his swing. He want to concentrate more on feel then he has been.

[mvmac]

The more mechanical he got, the worse it was for him, IMO. The dude is a great athlete. He should be tapping into that first.

I disagree. He's gotten in trouble because he was overthinking it.

Tiger worked a lot on mechanics when he was with Butch. Made some big changes from '97 to '00. Not saying getting super mechanical is the answer now but you state your perceptions like they're facts. You don't know he was overthinking things.

[phan52]

Tiger worked a lot on mechanics when he was with Butch. Made some big changes from '97 to '00. Not saying getting super mechanical is the answer now but you state your perceptions like they're facts.

Actually, my perceptions are based on what Tiger himself said just a few days ago. Let's go to the tape . . .

“Well, it is new, but it’s old. We looked at a lot of video from when I was a junior -- even when I came out there and had some really nice years where I hit the ball really well. We went back to some of those old videos and really looked at it. And it was quite interesting to see where my swing was then and how much force I could generate with a very skinny frame. How did I do that? How do I generate that much power? That's kind of what we are getting back into.”

He wasn't shackled with mechanics back then, and I think that is what he is talking about.

[jclark]

Actually, my perceptions are based on what Tiger himself said just a few days ago. Let's go to the tape . . . “Well, it is new, but it’s old. We looked at a lot of video from when I was a junior -- even when I came out there and had some really nice years where I hit the ball really well. We went back to some of those old videos and really looked at it. And it was quite interesting to see where my swing was then and how much force I could generate with a very skinny frame. How did I do that? How do I generate that much power? That's kind of what we are getting back into.”

I don't see how that statement Tiger made can be translated into what you are saying

[Phil McGleno]

You dont know what he was thinking then and you admit to saying you are guessing about now.[quote name="phan52" url="/t/78283/chris-como-named-tigers-new-coach/144#post_1081996"] He wasn't shackled with mechanics back then, and I think that is what he is talking about. [/quote] Im with @jclark and others-You seem to always to state your opinions as if theyre facts or that you KNOW them

[phan52]

Originally Posted by phan52

Actually, my perceptions are based on what Tiger himself said just a few days ago. Let's go to the tape . . .

“Well, it is new, but it’s old. We looked at a lot of video from when I was a junior -- even when I came out there and had some really nice years where I hit the ball really well. We went back to some of those old videos and really looked at it. And it was quite interesting to see where my swing was then and how much force I could generate with a very skinny frame. How did I do that? How do I generate that much power? That's kind of what we are getting back into."

He wasn't shackled with mechanics back then, and I think that is what he is talking about.

Originally Posted by jclark

I don't see how that statement Tiger made can be translated into what you are saying

OK. So, what do you think he means?

Im with @jclark and others-You seem to always to state your opinions as if theyre facts or that you KNOW them

BS. What part of "IMO" or "I think" don't you understand? I use those terms all the time. You just want to get into a pissing match instead of debating what I said.

[jclark]

OK. So, what do you think he means?

I take it at face value, he's trying to figure out how he hit it so far with little effort.

[phan52]

Quote:

Originally Posted by phan52

OK. So, what do you think he means?

Originally Posted by jclark

I take it at face value, he's trying to figure out how he hit it so far with little effort.

So you think he is just reviewing history instead of trying to utilize what he had then as a way of self improvement today?

[jclark]

So you think he is just reviewing history instead of trying to utilize what he had then as a way of self improvement today?

as he stated, he's trying to figure out how he did that. He never said what he was thinking in his swing, never talked about being more mechanical or less mechanical. You are taking his statement, adding your thoughts to it and saying that's what he said. :-)

[phan52]

as he stated, he's trying to figure out how he did that. He never said what he was thinking in his swing, never talked about being more mechanical or less mechanical. You are taking his statement, adding your thoughts to it and saying that's what he said.

Tiger began tinkering with his swing years ago. He wrote the following a few years after his 1997 win at the Masters:

One night, a week or so later, after the elation had started to die down, I decided to sit down and watch a tape of the entire tournament. I was by myself, so I was really able to concentrate on critiquing my full swing to see if there was some flaw I might be able to work on.

I didn't see one flaw. I saw about 10.

I had struck the ball great that week, but by my standard I felt I had gotten away with murder. My clubshaft was across the line at the top of the backswing and my clubface was closed. My swing plane was too upright. I liked my ball flight, but I was hitting the ball farther with my irons than I should have been because I was delofting the clubface through impact. I didn't like the look of those things, and the more I thought about it, the more I realized I didn't like how my swing felt , either. From a ball-striking standpoint, I was playing better than I knew how.

That is getting "mechanical". Before that, he was totally into the "feel" of the golf swing but, all of a sudden he realized that he didn't like how it felt? My perception of what he said this week is that he wants to get back to that "feel" type of golf. Obviously he can't replicate it physically at his age, but it's a head thing.

JMO!!!

[jclark]

Tiger began tinkering with his swing years ago. He wrote the following a few years after his 1997 win at the Masters: One night, a week or so later, after the elation had started to die down, I decided to sit down and watch a tape of the entire tournament. I was by myself, so I was really able to concentrate on critiquing my full swing to see if there was some flaw I might be able to work on. I didn't see one flaw. I saw about 10. I had struck the ball great that week, but by my standard I felt I had gotten away with murder. My clubshaft was across the line at the top of the backswing and my clubface was closed. My swing plane was too upright. I liked my ball flight, but I was hitting the ball farther with my irons than I should have been because I was delofting the clubface through impact. I didn't like the look of those things, and the more I thought about it, the more I realized I didn't like how my swing felt , either. From a ball-striking standpoint, I was playing better than I knew how. That is getting "mechanical". Before that, he was totally into the "feel" of the golf swing but, all of a sudden he realized that he didn't like how it felt? My perception of what he said this week is that he wants to get back to that "feel" type of golf. Obviously he can't replicate it physically at his age, but it's a head thing. JMO!!!

In my opinion, he said that over 14 years ago. Not the other day.

[iacas]

That is getting "mechanical". Before that, he was totally into the "feel" of the golf swing but, all of a sudden he realized that he didn't like how it felt? My perception of what he said this week is that he wants to get back to that "feel" type of golf. Obviously he can't replicate it physically at his age, but it's a head thing.

Dude, c'mon. Before that? He won one major BEFORE that point, and 13 after.

If you think that means Tiger's been mechanical, then… I'd say he's done pretty well "after" that point.

[mvmac]

Actually, my perceptions are based on what Tiger himself said just a few days ago. Let's go to the tape . . .

“Well, it is new, but it’s old. We looked at a lot of video from when I was a junior -- even when I came out there and had some really nice years where I hit the ball really well. We went back to some of those old videos and really looked at it. And it was quite interesting to see where my swing was then and how much force I could generate with a very skinny frame. How did I do that? How do I generate that much power? That's kind of what we are getting back into.”

He wasn't shackled with mechanics back then, and I think that is what he is talking about.

You can't say for sure you know what he was thinking or working on back then. Tiger has always had an instructor that's helped him with his swing.

And that's not even what's he's saying. He's saying he wants to figure out how he generated so much speed and try to replicate it. He's talking about making a mechanics change or adjustment. If he was just trying to be "mechanics free", he wouldn't be analyzing swing video.

[phan52]

Dude, c'mon. Before that? He won one major BEFORE that point, and 13 after.

If you think that means Tiger's been mechanical, then… I'd say he's done pretty well "after" that point.

Well, considering that it was his FIRST major as a professional, it would have been pretty difficult to win any before that.

[phan52]

You can't say for sure you know what he was thinking or working on back then. Tiger has always had an instructor that's helped him with his swing.

And that's not even what's he's saying. He's saying he wants to figure out how he generated so much speed and try to replicate it. He's talking about making a mechanics change or adjustment. If he was just trying to be "mechanics free", he wouldn't be analyzing swing video.

He never said that. In fact what he DID say this week is this:

“ I can’t blow it out there with some of the longer guys any more . Back when I was younger a long ball was 290 [yards] in the air. That was a big ball. Now it’s 320, 325. That’s the new standard out here. Some of the longer guys, Bubba [Watson], Dustin [Johnson], they carry 325 – I don’t quite have that. But there’s other ways to go around a golf course and I think that’s when it’s really neat to be part of a sport in which you can play for such a long period of time. You can win at a very late age because you don’t have to physically dominate anybody, you just have to beat the golf course."

So, he's obviously not looking at those tapes from back then to replicate it. He's appears to be looking for something else.

[mvmac]

He never said that. In fact what he DID say this week is this:

“I can’t blow it out there with some of the longer guys any more. Back when I was younger a long ball was 290 [yards] in the air. That was a big ball. Now it’s 320, 325. That’s the new standard out here. Some of the longer guys, Bubba [Watson], Dustin [Johnson], they carry 325 – I don’t quite have that. But there’s other ways to go around a golf course and I think that’s when it’s really neat to be part of a sport in which you can play for such a long period of time. You can win at a very late age because you don’t have to physically dominate anybody, you just have to beat the golf course."

So, he's obviously not looking at those tapes from back then to replicate it. He's appears to be looking for something else.

Something else? That doesn't make any sense. Here's what he said from what you posted. Tiger is looking at HOW he generated speed and then says that's kinda what they're getting back into.

@phan52 your original argument was that the more mechanical Tiger got, the more his game suffered. I'm just pointing out that he worked on mechanics with Butch and even with Haney (noticeable changes) and ended up winning a lot of tournaments.

[phan52]

Something else? That doesn't make any sense. Here's what he said from what you posted. Tiger is looking at HOW he generated speed and then says that's kinda what they're getting back into.

But he said in the same interview that he admits he can't do that and he says that there are other ways to get around a golf course without overpowering it. You and I, AND Tiger, know that he can't swing like that anymore, if for no other reason than age, regardless of his injury issues. He can't generate that speed. So, what could he be looking for?

It is just my opinion that he is looking at how a approached the game instinctively. He knew how to hit a golf ball, even with the flaws.

[iacas]

There's a difference between getting more speed (something he's been talking about for a year now) and not having Dustin or Bubba length. Tiger's quote about not having that much speed immediately follows him talking about Dustin and Bubba. I'm still baffled at how your original point was that Tiger Woods is too mechanical, and your evidence of that is a single major while he has won 13 being mechanical in your opinion. At the end of the day we will have to wait and see as it is very very early right now.