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By anaveragehacker ·
Someone asked would pros accept someone else keeping score. It’s done in every other sport. That’s what scorekeepers are for. It’s an antiquated rule. It’s fine for non-professionals. I feel like there is a lot of resistance to rule in golf, as if these rules were brought down on stone tablets by Moses. -
By GolfLug ·
Y'all can appoint a few good men from your own league that have proper understanding of the rules or at least access the USGA rules (book, online, etc.) when necessary. They don't have to have some kind of official certification or blessings from any outside org/entity to my knowledge. Yes, y'all could have collectively declared it GUR under F-16 as @DaveP043 posted as the self appointed committee and you would have been fine to drop outside of this particular bunker. Remember to not declare all bunkers as GUR on a wholesale basis. It is case by case only. Now you might say 'who's got time for all that' (going around which bunkers should be declared GUR) then I can somewhat understand your pain but at the same time you cannot fault the tedium of rules enforcement as a general reason to declare them 'lacking in common sense'. -
By DaveP043 ·
Its simple, YOU are responsible for reporting YOUR score correctly, at every level of golf. Do you imagine a top pro would really trust anyone else with his score? Without getting too far from the original post, the Rules have been revised every 4 years for decades. They're continually evaluated, and most changes are in response to changes within the game. BTW, if wind blows your ball off the green before you've lifted and replaced it, you play from wherever it ends up. The TV call ins weren't a rule of golf issue, they were a PGA Tour issue, all in an effort to get the call right. -
By anaveragehacker ·
Someone asked what I propose. I think if the bunker is full of rainwater, you get to drop it with no penalty directly in back of the bunker, so you still have a tricky shot of chipping over the bunker. People are talking about local committees and such which we just don’t have at our level. My league and playing partners gave the free drop with no issue. My original purpose of this post was just to understand what the “real” rule is, and I now know. But now I also want to encourage people to see that many long time golf rules are outdated and illogical, and hopefully encourage people to push for change. They made some changes in the last few years, so I’m hopeful the game I love will improve if enough people speak out. A lot to hope for posting in a little forum I know, but you have to start somewhere. -
By DaveP043 ·
You get a penalty stroke because your local committee didn't do their job, they didn't address the specific conditions using the tools available to them within the Rules. The rulemakers contemplated just this situation, bunkers being so filled with Temporary Water that they're unplayable. The only way to address it "fairly" is to allow free relief outside the bunker, and they do NOT want to allow that on an everyday basis. So they write the rules as it is, and allow the Committee to override the normal rule in the rare instance where the bunker really is full. That's what your "local league" does, they invoke Model Local Rule F-16, which treats flooded bunkers as both GUR and as General Area. Relief from GUR in the General Area allows relief in the General Area (i.e. outside the re-defined bunker). Its quite a logical way to approach a relatively rare situation. Separately, consider your concern about temporary Water in the fairway. I've seen situations in relatively level fairways where the Nearest Point of Complete Relief from Temporary Water is 30 or 40 yards away, further from the green, even in the rough.
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