My swing (Huddo)

[boogielicious]

Hi everyone....my journey has officially started!  I've just received my first evolvr video analysis and I now have structure to my practice.  I was really impressed, firstly by the speed of the response.......only 2 days and secondly by the clear and concise analysis of the priority areas I need to work on - the instructor Stephan explained each "new move" in a clear and understandable way.  I have probably got bogged down with too many swing thoughts so getting back to a "feel" approach will no doubt facilitate my progress.

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At address:

Strengthen your left hand grip slightly

Hands further forward

Left arm straighter

In the back swing:

Feel a lot less turn and like you are staying in your original flexion longer.

When practicing looking for the alignments discussed in the video at A3 and A4.

As I currently overturn during the backswing (so much for a bad back!) Stephan has said that the new practice move to A3 will feel very short to me.  Should I incorporate hitting the ball with this drill after I have become au fait with holding the flexion for longer?  I really want to hit the ground running and I would appreciate any advice from people who have undertaken the same drills.

Thanks for listening and I will post videos of my progress later in the week. Matt

I would ask your Evolvr instructor.  Stephan is @sk golf Send him a PM.

[Huddo]

I would ask your Evolvr instructor.  Stephan is @sk golf   Send him a PM.

Thanks, I'm not too sure how it all works yet and didn't want to bombard the instructor with questions straight away but I will send him a PM like you said.  Matt

[mvmac]

As I currently overturn during the backswing (so much for a bad back!) Stephan has said that the new practice move to A3 will feel very short to me.  Should I incorporate hitting the ball with this drill after I have become au fait with holding the flexion for longer?  I really want to hit the ground running and I would appreciate any advice from people who have undertaken the same drills.

Thanks for listening and I will post videos of my progress later in the week. Matt

Is the drill just to feel "softer" with the back and like the arms stop close to A3? If so then yes you can hit balls working on these feels. Use your camera to make sure you're changing the picture.

Thanks, I'm not too sure how it all works yet and didn't want to bombard the instructor with questions straight away but I will send him a PM like you said.  Matt

Just ask any questions you have in your notes when you submit another video.

[Huddo]

Is the drill just to feel "softer" with the back and like the arms stop close to A3? If so then yes you can hit balls working on these feels. Use your camera to make sure you're changing the picture. Just ask any questions you have in your notes when you submit another video.

My turn was way past 90º so I think the feeling is to try and maintain my position over the ball and to control the backswing. The shoulder turn initiated too soon........it's an area I have been confused with. I have probably taken the "use your body to swing the club" too literally. I believe that Stephan wants me to slow everything down to regain control over my swing.......probably a good place to start my learning! I will hit shots with it as I can also work on my transition.......2 birds and all that! Thanks again, Matt

[Huddo]

How do I stop standing up during the backswing? I believe it's the priority area I need to resolve if my swing is to improve. I don't know whether it is a posture issue or a flexibility issue due to my lower back problems but whatever I try, I cannot stop doing it and it's starting to drive me nuts! I'm having lessons with a local pro and also just started evolvr, but this terrible habit will not go away. I posted 2 videos below, the first one was at the range last night. The lifting up causes me to drop during the downswing and results in very inconsistent contact. The second video is an air shot, but my posture is more upright. I wonder if I need to be more upright at address? Any help would be very much appreciated, thanks. Matt [VIDEO]http://youtu.be/paz3CVnPsq8[/VIDEO] [VIDEO]http://youtu.be/JuzQm-qlkww[/VIDEO]

[burton9190]

Just my 2 cents here... I used to be a chronic over-the-topper and could never get the idea of passive arms etc.

This video changed the way I looked at the golf swing and has helped me no end. I now have a powerful draw that flies off the club face with what seems like such little effort. I broke 80 for the first time yesterday with this.

Take from it what you will, I don't want to step on anyone's toes here as I know theres some great advice on this forum!

[Huddo]

Just my 2 cents here... I used to be a chronic over-the-topper and could never get the idea of passive arms etc.  This video changed the way I looked at the golf swing and has helped me no end. I now have a powerful draw that flies off the club face with what seems like such little effort. I broke 80 for the first time yesterday with this. Take from it what you will, I don't want to step on anyone's toes here as I know theres some great advice on this forum! [URL=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSeX4e9zOz8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSeX4e9zOz8[/URL]

Thanks for the advice and video. The idea of letting the club and arms fall into place confuses me a little, since the lower body initiates the downswing and the arms create the speed in my mind. I probably do need to relax more in my swing but my practice swing has hardly any head movement or OTT, which is why I'm lost at the minute! I don't think I have found the right swing to suit me yet, if that makes sense? Thanks, Matt

[burton9190]

No worries mate, I hope you get sorted soon.

I used to get caught up in the whole "start from the ground up" spiel, and it confused the hell out of me. When I changed my perception of the golf swing to one of literally swinging the golf club whilst the ball got in the way I had a major light bulb moment and the change was dramatic and I saw progress extremely quickly.

Another thing that may help is to take your golf posture (take a look here: http://thesandtrap.com/t/56069/good-golf-posture-how-to-address-the-golf-ball) and without a golf club, simply let your arms hang straight down in a relaxed position. From here, without thinking about moving your arms, get them swinging backwards and forwards in an arc around your body. Do this for a few mins per day and really feel what part of your body is helping to move the arms. Be sure to keep your arms as relaxed as possible without forcing any kind of movement from them.

When you do this you will feel the natural deceleration of the arms towards the top of the swing and the elusive 'drop' that helps you to swing through on a better plane on the downswing.

When you feel comfortable with this motion, take a golf club and really feel the weight of it. Now, swing the club with the same feelings of the above drill letting the club get taken by centrifugal force - if you can do this in a mirror you can check the different checkpoints of the swing. You'll probably notice that at waist height, your arms, club and body are perfect, you're on plane at the top and all of a sudden you're in a great position to swing through (again, using the same motion as the above drill)

Don't get caught up too much about the sequence of all the different parts of the body moves in the downswing- let the swing happen and FEEL how your body is moving to achieve the results you want.

Hope that makes sense. I used to swing similar to you, which is why I think this may help you!

Good luck!

edit: just to put this into perspective - my 6i club head speed increased by 6mph and driver speed 9+ mph, with what felt very little effort.

[Huddo]

No worries mate, I hope you get sorted soon. I used to get caught up in the whole "start from the ground up" spiel, and it confused the hell out of me. When I changed my perception of the golf swing to one of literally swinging the golf club whilst the ball got in the way I had a major light bulb moment and the change was dramatic and I saw progress extremely quickly. Another thing that may help is to take your golf posture (take a look here: [URL=http://thesandtrap.com/t/56069/good-golf-posture-how-to-address-the-golf-ball]http://thesandtrap.com/t/56069/good-golf-posture-how-to-address-the-golf-ball[/URL]) and without a golf club, simply let your arms hang straight down in a relaxed position. From here, without thinking about moving your arms, get them swinging backwards and forwards in an arc around your body. Do this for a few mins per day and really feel what part of your body is helping to move the arms. Be sure to keep your arms as relaxed as possible without forcing any kind of movement from them. When you do this you will feel the natural deceleration of the arms towards the top of the swing and the elusive 'drop' that helps you to swing through on a better plane on the downswing. When you feel comfortable with this motion, take a golf club and really feel the weight of it. Now, swing the club with the same feelings of the above drill letting the club get taken by centrifugal force - if you can do this in a mirror you can check the different checkpoints of the swing. You'll probably notice that at waist height, your arms, club and body are perfect, you're on plane at the top and all of a sudden you're in a great position to swing through (again, using the same motion as the above drill) Don't get caught up too much about the sequence of all the different parts of the body moves in the downswing- let the swing happen and FEEL how your body is moving to achieve the results you want.  Hope that makes sense. I used to swing similar to you, which is why I think this may help you! Good luck! edit: just to put this into perspective - my 6i club head speed increased by 6mph and driver speed 9+ mph, with what felt very little effort.

I really appreciate you taking the time to help and your advice about practicing without a club to get that elusive feel of the swing is excellent. It's going to be a long hard slog but I know that one day I will be able to call myself a golfer, even if it's a very average one! Matt

[mvmac]

How do I stop standing up during the backswing? I believe it's the priority area I need to resolve if my swing is to improve. I don't know whether it is a posture issue or a flexibility issue due to my lower back problems but whatever I try, I cannot stop doing it and it's starting to drive me nuts!

I'm having lessons with a local pro and also just started evolvr, but this terrible habit will not go away. I posted 2 videos below, the first one was at the range last night. The lifting up causes me to drop during the downswing and results in very inconsistent contact.

The second video is an air shot, but my posture is more upright. I wonder if I need to be more upright at address?

Any help would be very much appreciated, thanks. Matt

It's not going to "go away" in a few days. Going to take some time and you have to exaggerate the feels. I would also recommend making swings (and filming them) swinging at 50% speed and exaggerating the "soft" upper back feel. Tough to change the picture initially if you're just going full speed.

[iacas]

It's not going to "go away" in a few days. Going to take some time and you have to exaggerate the feels. I would also recommend making swings (and filming them) swinging at 50% speed and exaggerating the "soft" upper back feel. Tough to change the picture initially if you're just going full speed.

QFT. Re-read that a few times @Huddo .

Also, note the massive differences in your real swing versus your practice swing. It illustrates how there's no point in making practice swings.

[Huddo]

It's not going to "go away" in a few days. Going to take some time and you have to exaggerate the feels. I would also recommend making swings (and filming them) swinging at 50% speed and exaggerating the "soft" upper back feel. Tough to change the picture initially if you're just going full speed.

is a great thread.......thanks for pointing me in the right direction!  It's so damn annoying not feeling any improvement but I will hang in there. Matt

[Huddo]

QFT. Re-read that a few times @Huddo.

Also, note the massive differences in your real swing versus your practice swing. It illustrates how there's no point in making practice swings.

Thanks @iacas , I'm so desperate to be able to swing properly that I'm expecting my body to adapt straight away............but as you both have said.........not going to happen!

I think it's time for me to hibernate and to stop searching for that magic cure -  as I've already found it................it's called hard work and practice.

Thanks, Matt

[sk golf]

@Huddo taking advice from people on TST, lessons from a local pro, and Evolvr all at the same time is a recipe for disaster.  I like your last post where you mentioned that you need to stop searching for the "magic cure".  You are still at the very beginning stages and simply "learning how to change your swing".  Some people play golf for a lifetime and never "learn to change their swing".  It is going to take a lot of work and commitment on your end to "the process".  I am confident that myself, or anyone else with Golf Evolution, can help you, but if you choose to stick with your local pro that is no offense to me.  Just commit.

[Huddo]

I appreciate your thoughts but I don't think you could question my commitment. I'm a little disappointed if you feel that, especially as I'm spending hours and money on trying to improve. Granted it's my choice but I would have thought that lessons locally would/should compliment my online lessons? I agree that I probably need to stop searching for answers but it's all very new to me and if you feel that I'm not ready then say so. Thanks, Matt

[iacas]

I'm only skimming this thread, so if I've gotten anything wrong, chalk it up to that and correct me as you see fit. That said…

I appreciate your thoughts but I don't think you could question my commitment. I'm a little disappointed if you feel that,

I don't think he questioned your commitment.

However, if you expect to make changes so quickly, that could speak to a sort of understanding of how difficult it is to change certain things. If you are expecting changes to be made in a few days while making swings at near full speed, then it's almost never going to work.

Granted it's my choice but I would have thought that lessons locally would/should compliment my online lessons?

Nope. It doesn't, unless that instructor is as good as what you're getting from evolvr, and that's highly, highly unlikely to be true. Sorry to say, but most golf instruction stinks. Just ask some of the guys here who have been exposed to good information. There's a lot of bad information out there. The list is endlessly long.

Local, in-person instruction can be helpful if the person knows what you're doing, why, and can help you achieve the same types of things and work on the same types of things.

[Lihu]

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Originally Posted by burton9190

Just my 2 cents here... I used to be a chronic over-the-topper and could never get the idea of passive arms etc.

This video changed the way I looked at the golf swing and has helped me no end. I now have a powerful draw that flies off the club face with what seems like such little effort. I broke 80 for the first time yesterday with this.

Take from it what you will, I don't want to step on anyone's toes here as I know theres some great advice on this forum!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSeX4e9zOz8

Thanks for the advice and video. The idea of letting the club and arms fall into place confuses me a little, since the lower body initiates the downswing and the arms create the speed in my mind. I probably do need to relax more in my swing but my practice swing has hardly any head movement or OTT, which is why I'm lost at the minute!

I don't think I have found the right swing to suit me yet, if that makes sense?

Thanks, Matt

Yes, this makes total sense. After 3 plus years, I think I've finally found a swing that suits me. It's a matter of getting used to the body positions which are completely foreign to me (and that is how you will feel as well when you commit to a complete change like that).

You have to play around a bit, but I highly advise doing that experimentation under the guidance of an expert like those instructors at Evolvr, etc.

In my interaction with @mvmac he doesn't know which muscles I am firing on a downswing, but he can see if I am doing something that could potentially injure myself. It's kind of up to you to own your swing, and it's up to them to give you some guidance.

This takes some time. There is no quick fix to anything at all. Things that look relatively minor from the outside might feel night and day different to you and that takes a lot of adjusting on your part.

[Huddo]

Originally Posted by iacas

I'm only skimming this thread, so if I've gotten anything wrong, chalk it up to that and correct me as you see fit. That said…

I don't think he questioned your commitment.

However, if you expect to make changes so quickly, that could speak to a sort of understanding of how difficult it is to change certain things. If you are expecting changes to be made in a few days while making swings at near full speed, then it's almost never going to work.

Nope. It doesn't, unless that instructor is as good as what you're getting from evolvr, and that's highly, highly unlikely to be true. Sorry to say, but most golf instruction stinks. Just ask some of the guys here who have been exposed to good information. There's a lot of bad information out there. The list is endlessly long.

Local, in-person instruction can be helpful if the person knows what you're doing, why, and can help you achieve the same types of things and work on the same types of things.

I think it was the flippant "just commit" comment which made my blood boil a little!  I'm still learning "how to learn" and due to my naivety, I don't know a good coach from a bad coach.  But I will take your advice and focus solely on evolvr......it will be lighter on my wallet as well!  Thank you for clarifying everything, Matt