hips and shoulders

[carpediem4300]

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Just a random thought from my weekend and how badly i played to turning it around and I wondered what you all think of my thought process/rationale for doing what im doing

I was hitting it atrociously, i mean really bad, i couldnt tell you what was happening from shot to shot but i remained focus on repeating the same swing and not tickering on course, until i got really annoyed and went back to a fail safe thought i use sometimes of hips/shoulders moving at the same time on the backswing, and firing at the same time on the downswing, almost feeling as if they are fully connected

I tried googling this theory but not to much avail,

I went to the range afterwards and was puring every shot doing this, and looking in the mirror i noticed that even though i appear to be moving everything at the same time and thats how it felt, because the shoulders turn 90* and the hips only a certain amount of degrees (no idea how much mine turn)

Even though I start both at the same time and rate of turn, the hips naturally clear past the ball first as they have less distance to travel,

any thoughts? i mean im hitting it nice so shant complain, im more interested in the theory behind it all

[Vinsk]

Yes, yes....the classic 'feel ain't real.' I don't know the biomechanics behind this other than the obvious you stated. I think I struggle more with trying to keep my arms in sync with my shoulders/chest. The only thing I believe is 'automatic' for me is the hip rotation occuring  as my shoulders rotate. You said you feel your hips are rotating in sync with your shoulder turn, do you have any thoughts on your arms while doing this?

[Mr. Desmond]

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Just a random thought from my weekend and how badly i played to turning it around and I wondered what you all think of my thought process/rationale for doing what im doing

 

I was hitting it atrociously, i mean really bad, i couldnt tell you what was happening from shot to shot but i remained focus on repeating the same swing and not tickering on course, until i got really annoyed and went back to a fail safe thought i use sometimes of hips/shoulders moving at the same time on the backswing, and firing at the same time on the downswing, almost feeling as if they are fully connected

 

I tried googling this theory but not to much avail,

 

I went to the range afterwards and was puring every shot doing this, and looking in the mirror i noticed that even though i appear to be moving everything at the same time and thats how it felt, because the shoulders turn 90* and the hips only a certain amount of degrees (no idea how much mine turn)

 

Even though I start both at the same time and rate of turn, the hips naturally clear past the ball first as they have less distance to travel,

 

any thoughts? i mean im hitting it nice so shant complain, im more interested in the theory behind it all

The last 2 instructors I've visited said "start everything down at the same time." 

I think some of us get the lower body going too much with the hips sliding and turning, then the arms get stuck.

So while I am going from the ground up, the weight is forward, the arms are in front of the body and the hips are square as the arms are coming down, and then I close the "gate"  and get that belt buckle to the sky (turn, turn, turn)

[carpediem4300]

Yes, yes....the classic 'feel ain't real.' I don't know the biomechanics behind this other than the obvious you stated. I think I struggle more with trying to keep my arms in sync with my shoulders/chest. The only thing I believe is 'automatic' for me is the hip rotation occuring  as my shoulders rotate. You said you feel your hips are rotating in sync with your shoulder turn, do you have any thoughts on your arms while doing this?

ive worked hard on keeping my arms connected as i struggle with getting them stuck behind me, i used the "triangle and hands infront of the chest" thought to grain that in, it feels like that never changes but in video the right arm tucks in etc etc, 

 

 

The last 2 instructors I've visited said "start everything down at the same time." 

I think some of us get the lower body going too much with the hips sliding and turning, then the arms get stuck.

So while I am going from the ground up, the weight is forward, the arms are in front of the body and the hips are square as the arms are coming down, and then I close the "gate"  and get that belt buckle to the sky (turn, turn, turn)

ah i see what you mean, i struggle with stuck arms alot, i eliminated alot of that issues with the thought of keeping connected and it seems to be fixed, but the inconsistent ball striking remained (keeping connected fixed my directional issues)

[saevel25]

I was hitting it atrociously, i mean really bad, i couldnt tell you what was happening from shot to shot but i remained focus on repeating the same swing and not tickering on course, until i got really annoyed and went back to a fail safe thought i use sometimes of hips/shoulders moving at the same time on the backswing, and firing at the same time on the downswing, almost feeling as if they are fully connected

 

Most swings are repeatable. Bad swings just have a lot of timing, poor ability to control low point and extreme swing path issues that it makes it nearly impossible to control the clubface in relation to the swing path. 

Good and Bad swing look the same
 

I went to the range afterwards and was puring every shot doing this, and looking in the mirror i noticed that even though i appear to be moving everything at the same time and thats how it felt, because the shoulders turn 90* and the hips only a certain amount of degrees (no idea how much mine turn)

A phrase thrown around this forum a lot is "Feel isn't Real". It is a true statement. It does take a bit of trust to go with a feel that you'd think it would produce what you mentally think it's doing but it doesn't do it on video. 

 

Even though I start both at the same time and rate of turn, the hips naturally clear past the ball first as they have less distance to travel,

any thoughts? i mean im hitting it nice so shant complain, im more interested in the theory behind it all

 

 

 Good turn rates are part of a good swing. If you have keys 1-3 working well in the golf swing than you will tend to have good turn rates. Most amateurs do not turn their hips soon enough and too little on the backswing. They tend to do the same on the downswing. They tend to have their hips close to square at impact instead of open. 

5 Simple Keys

Edited October 5, 2015 by saevel25

[carpediem4300]

^^ this shows it very clearly

on the backswing i feel my hips/shoulders turning at the same rate, and the downswing i feel them start together and at the same rate

 

but the mirror shows pretty much the pictures you have just uploaded

[Mike Boatright]

Most golf instruction has similar ideas so check this video out. I'm not sure about your back-swing but hips shoulder knees all have their parts in the golf swing.

[Abu3baid]

Most golf instruction has similar ideas so check this video out. I'm not sure about your back-swing but hips shoulder knees all have their parts in the golf swing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q28S9R4K9Fs&list=PLF1C96E938923CACA

 

these somax guys are nuts so I wouldn't take their word to be worth anything.  :)

Edited October 6, 2015 by Abu3baid