Nationwide Tour vs European Tour

[r7 425]

I had a discussion with a guy who wanted to know which Tour is better as far as depth goes. I really do think that the Nationwide Tour has better players than the European Tour from top to bottom. You always see Nationwide Tour players winning on the PGA Tour-it happens more than European tour guys on the PGA Tour. What do u guys think

[Shindig]

  r7 425 said:

I had a discussion with a guy who wanted to know which Tour is better as far as depth goes. I really do think that the Nationwide Tour has better players than the European Tour from top to bottom. You always see Nationwide Tour players winning on the PGA Tour-it happens more than European tour guys on the PGA Tour. What do u guys think

While I don't doubt that the great Nationwide Tour players - the ones who get promoted - are as good as the rank-and-file PGA Tour players, I think one of the reasons they win as much is that they're more used to the PGA Tour style of courses. I seem to have it in my head that the European Tour plays links-style courses more often.

[Three Putt]

I agree with Shindig, i think it is a little different golf, Euro Tour Guys dont have much problem competing in Majors, Nationwide guy definitely have sick skills, just not the expereince the PGA and Euro guys do.

[michaeljames92]

are you joking? nationwide tour players are the amateurs in the pro circuit. european tour is fully fledged pros. as far as ratings go, the european tour is probably just under the likes of the uspga due to money, but european players play on much harder/less forgiving courses compared to uspga courses which don't penalise the players much for making a bad shot. e.g. rough is thin compared to thick on europe courses, bunkers are shallower compared the european courses which are deep

[23Rounder]

The European Tour is far superior to the Nationwide Tour. Just look at the results in the 4 majors each year to see how good the players from the European Tour are. It cannot compete with the USPGA Tour for prizemoney and probably depth over the full field but the top line players (Tiger excluded) are of very similar ability.

[Ziophils]

I'm just going to throw a few European Tour members names into the mix:

Ernie Els, Padraig Harrington, Henrik Stenson, Adam Scott, Miguel Angel Jimenez, Lee Westwood, Darren Clarke, Vijay Singh, Daniel Chopra, Colin Montgomerie, Sergio Garcia, Paul Casey, Retief Goosen, Angel Cabrera....etc...etc....

I sure hope some of these guys manage to get their nationwide status for the coming year or they may run into financial difficulties.

[Big_M]

  Shindig said:

While I don't doubt that the great Nationwide Tour players - the ones who get promoted - are as good as the rank-and-file PGA Tour players, I think one of the reasons they win as much is that they're more used to the PGA Tour style of courses. I seem to have it in my head that the European Tour plays links-style courses more often.

The European Tour plays a little bit of everything. They have parkland and desert courses, and of course the best links.

I don't think Nationwide and European Tour are comparable... Nationwide is a developmental tour, yeah, it's the highest level of such, but it is designed to be a feeder system into the PGA. The European Tour is the best of the rest (of the world). Sure some Aussies and others just come straight over to the US, but as other posters have pointed out... the Euro tour is a top tier tour. In Europe they have a tour that is similar to the Nationwide (a feeder tour)... it is called the Challenge Tour.

[TourSpoon]

  Ziophils said:

I'm just going to throw a few European Tour members names into the mix:

You can't argue with that...good post.

[JaY_B]

  r7 425 said:

I had a discussion with a guy who wanted to know which Tour is better as far as depth goes. I really do think that the Nationwide Tour has better players than the European Tour from top to bottom. You always see Nationwide Tour players winning on the PGA Tour-it happens more than European tour guys on the PGA Tour. What do u guys think

Did you do any research in to the subject before posting? as some people have already said the varying results speak for themselves, the two tours are on completely different levels, the European Tour is designed to be on the same level as the PGA Tour (and the European tour has been strengthened more recently with the return of a few key big names, and also the future Dubai swing which carries the highest purse in golf)

the Nationwide tour is more accurately compared to the Euro Pro Tour which is also a developmental tour, and in the case of comparing the Euro Pro Tour and the Nationwide Tour I would say the Nationwide Tour is much stronger, however the Nationwide Tour doesn't compare to the European Tour, comparison between the two is illogical.

[michaeljames92]

  JaY_B said:

the Nationwide tour is more accurately compared to the Euro Pro Tour which is also a developmental tour, and in the case of comparing the Euro Pro Tour and the Nationwide Tour I would say the Nationwide Tour is much stronger, however the Nationwide Tour doesn't compare to the European Tour, comparison between the two is illogical.

yes i agree. completely lacking in logic. lol

[r7 425]

I tend to disagree with everyone. Point being--guys on the nationwide tour that go onto the PGA tour are more successful--look at brand t snedeker...Also Colin Montgomerie hasnt won on american soil--but guys from the nationwide tour like jason day and kevin stadler proved they can do damage on the european tour. You look at players like that and you see that the depth is far greater in the world rankings as well. I mean Esteban Toldeo is no joke and he didnt even make the pga tour this year..Certain guys on the Nationwide Tour do things like win golf tournaments

[marpr]

  r7 425 said:

I had a discussion with a guy who wanted to know which Tour is better as far as depth goes. I really do think that the Nationwide Tour has better players than the European Tour from top to bottom. You always see Nationwide Tour players winning on the PGA Tour-it happens more than European tour guys on the PGA Tour. What do u guys think

I prefer to watch (and would prefer to play on) the European tour. Even though the nationwide tour is amazing. just the sheer variation on course of the Euro tour would be so challenging!

[michaeljames92]

this thread is the typical american view that if they dont have it then no one else is good. its like america calls the mlb finals the world series and 'champions of the world'. clearly its the american domestic league and wasn't a world cup of baseball. now back to golf. the level of golf in the nationwide tour is uncomparable to the european tour. the nationwide tour contains good golfers but it is the 2nd division of american golf.

[Big_M]

  michaeljames92 said:

this thread is the typical american view that if they dont have it then no one else is good. its like america calls the mlb finals the world series and 'champions of the world'. clearly its the american domestic league and wasn't a world cup of baseball. now back to golf. the level of golf in the nationwide tour is uncomparable to the european tour. the nationwide tour contains good golfers but it is the 2nd division of american golf.

This is a typical non-American view... please don't lump all of us together like this. Read my previous post and you will see that what I said was fair and accurate.

As far as baseball goes... it probably should be called the Continental Championship or some such thing, but who cares... this does not mean that ALL Americans think that just because it is HERE it is the BEST. And, just for the record, the MLB is by far the most elite league in baseball. Just as the NHL is the most elite league in hockey. Why... because the US and Canada have the best market (money wise)... that's why the NHL is full of players from every country around the world. I understand that the initial comment about the Nationwide being better than the European Tour may have made you think... "what an arrogant statement" ... but to say it is a typical "American" statement is insulting to those of us that don't share such a view.

[pjsnyc]

  michaeljames92 said:

this thread is the typical american view that if they dont have it then no one else is good. its like america calls the mlb finals the world series and 'champions of the world'. clearly its the american domestic league and wasn't a world cup of baseball. now back to golf. the level of golf in the nationwide tour is uncomparable to the european tour. the nationwide tour contains good golfers but it is the 2nd division of american golf.

Maybe the Dingo ate your baby...

THE DINGO ATE YOUR BABAY!!!

[geezer]

  pjsnyc said:

Maybe the Dingo ate your baby...THE DINGO ATE YOUR BABAY!!!

So maybe

this is a typical American post...?

[JaY_B]

  r7 425 said:

I tend to disagree with everyone. Point being--guys on the nationwide tour that go onto the PGA tour are more successful--look at brand t snedeker...Also Colin Montgomerie hasnt won on american soil--but guys from the nationwide tour like jason day and kevin stadler proved they can do damage on the european tour. You look at players like that and you see that the depth is far greater in the world rankings as well. I mean Esteban Toldeo is no joke and he didnt even make the pga tour this year..Certain guys on the Nationwide Tour do things like win golf tournaments

Most of the top European Tour pro's choose not to play on the PGA Tour as they do not like the atmosphere, the travel, and the loneliness the tour brings, there is almost as much money available on the European Tour, the atmosphere is 200 x better than the PGA Tour, players can spend more time with families, and if we are being honest, the pure variety of courses found on the European Tour puts the variety of the PGA Tour to shame. But if your going to say who's more successful lets throw some names in to the mix (winning also doesn't necessarily determine success): Adam Scott Sergio Garcia Justin Rose Luke Donald Padraig Harrington Henrik Stenson Aaron Baddaly Stuart Appleby Ernie Els Vijay Singh Geoff Ogilvy Lee Westwood Trevor Immelman Ian Poulter The list goes on, so are Nationwide players more successful than European Tour pros, I don't think so, think about what you say before you post, fact is fact the European Tour is in a different league compared to the Nationwide Tour

[allin]

I root for the home guys as much as I can but I don't believe that Nationwide tour is deeper than the European tour. Certainly the top guys on the European Tour are better. I believe the Nationwide tour is deeper than the challenge tour, and possibly the other professional tours, but not the European. The PGA tour is best because it draws many of the best players from all over the world. To some extent the Nationwide tour benefits from this as well. Many of the top players on the Nationwide tour are from other countries. Those who make the knee jerk response that an argument made for the Nationwide tour being better is just american arrogance should remember that.