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Evolution of Stack and Tilt

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In a few threads folks have mentioned that there have been changes in the pattern since the DVD and book. I have both and wonder if there is a place on the internet that explains the differences... If not could those in the know explain them here?

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My impression from reading between the lines here and elsewhere is that Mike and Andy are currently doing some more DVDs and that other folks in the S&T; camp who are in the know, broadly, about the direction they're taking the pattern don't want to steal their thunder by talking about the details before the new series comes out.

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I think they will talk about having your rear leg totally removed as it is now dead weight in the golf swing! :-)
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I'd rather have new  DVD's and a book with more pictures.

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Yeah, I left a specific question asking exactly this in the golfwrx forums and no answer, not even acknowledgement, but I understand that they need to sell their new ideas.

The only thing I'd want to suggest is that DVDs are so last decade. Make the format in a video file we can buy. Yeah, I know, piracy. OK, instead, maybe a password protected streaming page? Or an iPad app. Anyways, don't make me buy physical media is all I'm asking.

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Originally Posted by Stretch

My impression from reading between the lines here and elsewhere is that Mike and Andy are currently doing some more DVDs and that other folks in the S&T; camp who are in the know, broadly, about the direction they're taking the pattern don't want to steal their thunder by talking about the details before the new series comes out.


As you can suspect I have to be careful about what I can say, but the new DVDs are - broadly speaking - more "proof" oriented than "change in pattern" oriented. The pattern is still ver similar to what they've always taught. They've fine tuned some pieces by providing more information, but the DVDs are more "proof" - with what I'll call "numbers" or "data" to prove some things for the purpose of being vague.

Some of us have slightly changed a few things - for example hitting up on the driver, or shifting the left arm out a little bit if you want to hit a cut, or whatever - but they're all based on the same "pattern" that hasn't really changed much itself.

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Originally Posted by iacas

Some of us have slightly changed a few things - for example hitting up on the driver



I was going to ask this very question in another post as the Golf Evolution video on hitting the driver favored hitting down a degree or two.

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Originally Posted by The_Pharaoh

I was going to ask this very question in another post as the Golf Evolution video on hitting the driver favored hitting down a degree or two.


Yeah, and that's still one way to do it.

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Originally Posted by iacas

As you can suspect I have to be careful about what I can say, but the new DVDs are - broadly speaking - more "proof" oriented than "change in pattern" oriented. The pattern is still ver similar to what they've always taught. They've fine tuned some pieces by providing more information, but the DVDs are more "proof" - with what I'll call "numbers" or "data" to prove some things for the purpose of being vague.

Some of us have slightly changed a few things - for example hitting up on the driver, or shifting the left arm out a little bit if you want to hit a cut, or whatever - but they're all based on the same "pattern" that hasn't really changed much itself.



are the new dvds comming out any time soon?

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Originally Posted by Meesh

are the new dvds comming out any time soon?


Sorry. Mum's the word.

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Hopefully Erik is helping with the video editing, assuming his video editing skills are on par with his web design skills. Every time I have the Stack and Tilt DVD's on my wife says "oh the golf nerds again!"

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Originally Posted by iacas View Post

Some of us have slightly changed a few things - for example hitting up on the driver



I was going to ask this very question in another post as the Golf Evolution video on hitting the driver favored hitting down a degree or two.

What!!! You are supposed to be hitting up on the driver??? I am having unbelievable success hitting down a degree or two... I feel doing this keeps my irons,hybrids and woods on a similar swing...

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Originally Posted by The Gill

Hopefully Erik is helping with the video editing, assuming his video editing skills are on par with his web design skills. Every time I have the Stack and Tilt DVD's on my wife says "oh the golf nerds again!"


The current DVDs are dreadful, from a presentation perspective. Would be pretty much impossible for the new ones not to be more accessible and, dare we say, entertaining.

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Originally Posted by CuppedTin

What!!! You are supposed to be hitting up on the driver???

I am having unbelievable success hitting down a degree or two...

I feel doing this keeps my irons,hybrids and woods on a similar swing...



If you want more distance.. yes! My natural swing is -1 to +1 and no matter what I do I cannot seem to get a more positive AoA. I start catching the ball thin if I start hitting up on it and pulling it if I move the ball forward in my stance.

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Originally Posted by CuppedTin

I am having unbelievable success hitting down a degree or two...

And you've had it measured by a Trackman or something? Because otherwise you're just guessing.

I'm not involved with the production of any DVDs with Mike and Andy in them.

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Originally Posted by iacas

I'm not involved with the production of any DVDs with Mike and Andy in them.


Hmm.

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I am having unbelievable success hitting down a degree or two...

And you've had it measured by a Trackman or something? Because otherwise you're just guessing.

I'm not involved with the production of any DVDs with Mike and Andy in them.

My last (5) measured by Trackman were between -1 and -2... I think hitting up on the driver is a mistake and I'm not sure why they would change their philosophy.

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Hitting up on the driver goes farther and has been proven many times.  Think this is why they are changing that.

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