Fixing Slice : Training Aid?

**Unkynd** · August 19, 2010

I have a terrible slice with my driver, which I believe is mostly caused by hitting the ball with the face of the club open. I don't have a range near my house, and would like a decent training aid to use in my back yard. I have neighbors, and my yard isn't huge... so what is a good training aid to use for correcting a slice? Are impact bags any good? I've tried the wiffle balls and foam balls, but neither of those seem to react the same way as a normal ball.

***iacas*** · August 19, 2010

It's actually caused by swinging out to in. Far, far, far more people slice for that reason than having the clubface open to the target. More, in fact, have the clubface closed to the target than open.

Weight forward and moving more forward, handle forward, ball position a bit back, hand path more inward. Doses of all of those will help, but unfortunately without video or anything we can't be sure how much of each you need.

**Shripe** · August 19, 2010

I recently bought the SKLZ Swing Detective training aid for $10 from rockbottomgolf, and while I've not spent a lot of time with it, it does show you (when used correctly) whether your clubface comes through impact closed/open/square, as well as whether your swing path is in-to-out, out-to-in, or in-to-in. There's also a DVD with drills to correct your swing based on what you find, as well as a lot of other videos and drills. I haven't used it enough to see how well it'll help me, but the videos seem helpful from what I've seen so far.

I yield to iacas's expertise. ;)

**Unkynd** · August 19, 2010

Thanks iacas, I've read a lot of your threads and have purchased the stack & tilt book, so I understand the points you are making. I am 99% certain that my club face is open at impact, but I also have an out to in issue as well. I'm trying to fix the club face issue before I move on to the more difficult task of changing my swing to an inside swing. I think the cause of my club face being open is that I tend to roll my wrists similar to the way a batter rolls their wrists when swinging at a baseball. I can feel myself doing it, but so far I haven't figured out how to fix it other than mentally forcing my wrists to keep from rolling.

Shripe, that looks like a pretty good aid. I might pick it up, has anyone used it and had results that showed at the range/on the course?

**Joeyvee** · August 19, 2010

Leave the clubface open and fix the swing path and you'll have what every golfer wants. A nice high draw. Did you READ the S&T; book ?

**etlreams** · August 19, 2010

I'm no swing expert, so take it for what it is..... Last summer i developed a slice for the first time in my golf life and it had to do with my swing path. Took one lesson and I learned the fix.

Very simple for me.... flatten out my swing plane. Also, drop my right shoulder so I am sweeping up to the ball.

As I watch my friends slice, they all suffer from the same swing flaw I did. Flatten it out. Imagine the path like a hula hoop. Smooth, slow and flat.

**CrazyXGolfer** · August 19, 2010

My advice, don't try to fix it yourself you will just get way to many swing thoughts in your head... witch is very bad thing when your playing...

I would go book a lesson in with a pro, that is close to you and then just focus on what he or she says. Alot of problems are to do with setup, that you can't take the club away in the right position witch then makes you do silly with when swinging ending up causing your slice.

I will most likly be flamed for this, but I would sugest staying away from the S@T swing, I know alot of people who have tried and used this swing and really regreted it in the long run. It does has some very good things going for it, but a more traditional swing is much better IMHO. I have used the S@T swing and got down to 4 HC I have now for the first time going to a new golf coach and im much much happier with my swing! Much more club head speed and my bad shot is not a block cut anymore, witch was my S@T bad shot.

Im not going to say it's a bad swing, I just think the other is much better. I will not respond if you start flaming me for what I have said, I am just stating my opinion.

Anyways good luck!

**Unkynd** · August 19, 2010

Crazy, I've read some of the S&T; stuff and while it looks like it might be decent, the complete lack of S&T; pros in my area is a concern. I wanted to at least get the very basics down before I went to a pro, because I don't want to waste $100 for them to tell me that my grip is too tight (i know that) and my club face is open (i know that) and my swing is too much out to in (yup). I'm trying to fix the things I know are wrong with my swing before spending the cash on a pro. Is that dumb? Would I be better off going to a pro instead of trying to fix those things on my own? Would it be worth the $75-$100 per hour? I'm admittedly a terrible golfer, I shot 121 on my last 18, and that's about average for me. So I have a whole lot of room for improvement, lol.

**CrazyXGolfer** · August 19, 2010

Hmmm I would still go see a pro, but ill have a look around for some training aids for you... Ill PM once I have found some.
I play with a guy we started at the same time, about 1 year and 4 months ago. When I started I was shooting around 100 and now im shooting even par and under par almost every game and thats because I went to a golf pro. Now my mate that plays, when he started he was shooting around 110, now he shoots 120 because he trys to fix his own swing and thinks WAY to much and he never went to a golf coach he just reads books and trys to do it himself.

I would sugest try and get your grip right, then go see him. Because a open club face can be usually fixed with some very simple drills and a setup change.
And wow golf coachs must charge alot more over in the US, because in australia, I work with one of the most well know coachs and he only charges 100$ and he is rated one of the best.
Other coachs ive been with charged 30-50$.

But I will get back to you on the training aid things :)

**Shripe** · August 19, 2010

And wow golf coachs must charge alot more over in the US, because in australia, I work with one of the most well know coachs and he only charges 100$ and he is rated one of the best.

Not to hijack the thread, but just a note for you. Basically, it depends on experience and accolades a coach's had. An apprentice at a local championship course (muni owned) is the only coach there, and charges $30 per half hour, or $150 for 6. The range goes even higher at $60 for a half hour, $90/hour for pros up to $120 per hour, at least from what I've seen around here.

**Alohaed** · August 20, 2010

Lesson, lesson, lesson. I had a severe slice. Grip, ball position, stance and swing adjustments = no more slice. All from a 30 minute lessons.

**stacks04** · August 20, 2010

My advice, don't try to fix it yourself you will just get way to many swing thoughts in your head... witch is very bad thing when your playing...

So, you advocate NOT using a swing technique you had wild success with acheiving a handicap of which 90% of golfers in the world would never reach ???????????????????????????????????????????? Your level of golf is amazing if your not lieing in your index, but owe a huge chunk of it to the s&t; imho.

***iacas*** · August 20, 2010

Much more club head speed and my bad shot is not a block cut anymore, witch was my S@T bad shot.

In other words, you weren't doing it properly.

**CrazyXGolfer** · August 20, 2010

In other words, you weren't doing it properly.

Honestly you may be right, the golf coach that taught me this only just started coaching. I started working with him and 2 months after working with him I a bad hook, when we corrected the hook, I got a block cut. Witch seems to be alot of the miss's from S@T swings that I have seen.

I might have gorne and seen another S@T coach, but "NOBODY" teach's this swing in australia really, I believe I would have to drive a few hours to find sombody that would just no the basic's of the S@T swing. @@@Stacks :) Im not going to lie, I do owe alot to my first golf coach, but i just really wish I went to conventional swing coach first. It may have been the golf coach that turned me off the swing since he was just a new coach and really did not get rid of a few bad habbits of mine. But hey, Im happy with my golf swing at the moment and thats all that matters! I was just saying, I would stay away from learning the swing. Witch is just IMHO.

**Zeph** · August 22, 2010

Is "witch" how you spell "which" in australian?

I'll just say that you can't judge yourself by others. We have no idea how your swing looked when you worked on S&T;, for all we know, you weren't doing half the things right. You can get just the same amount of clubhead speed with S&T;, and a block fade is not something that should happen. I've been working on S&T; for some time now, and I don't fear the right side at all, since I never hit the ball out there anymore.

You don't recommend S&T; based on your own personal experience, which may stem from not doing things the right way. I'd rather seek the players that have worked with Golf Evolution and ask them how S&T; has worked out. There are surprisingly few instructors out there that really know what S&T; is.

**alf174** · August 22, 2010

Having just read some of the book & practiced the drills, it felt to me that S&T; actually promoted a inside-to-outside swing. I'm not using S&T; 100% but what I did get out of the drills has worked into my swing and my directional control & distance is better this season, especially the slicing. Now its more of a fade and it stays out of trouble; first or 2nd cut verses OB :whew:.

**CrazyXGolfer** · August 22, 2010

Very fair point.... Yes, I don't recomend it... but saying that, yes im sure there are alot that will. For my it really did not feel like it suited, but thats just my say.

Grammer police... really haha???
Go through my other 300 posts, you will find much worse.... :D

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