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Was down the range earlier and just hitting a few low irons and for some reason decided to lean my hands towards the target at address then take my backswing, and i hit it really well and consistently, my backswing felt very good aswell Why would this be?

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You got lucky.  No no no.  Leaning the hands forward straightens the rear arm and creates slack in the lead arm.  This is a recipe for a flat takeaway which is a recipe for an over the top swing.  You want the lead arm tucked into your body and the trailing arm loose.  You can either work your swing plane square to square or up to square, but never down to square.  Gravity has to work on the club some to really hit the ball well.  Try to feel like you have a nice cup in your lead wrist at address and that it disappears and flattens considerably down into and through impact.  That's the way all the strikers do it.

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Hmm it was strange I was getting good contact leaning forward about half inch to an inch, but also good contact swinging conventionaly, was just wondering on the physics of it really Swing defi.ately felt flat thougj

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Originally Posted by bunkerputt

You got lucky.  No no no.  Leaning the hands forward straightens the rear arm and creates slack in the lead arm.  This is a recipe for a flat takeaway which is a recipe for an over the top swing.  You want the lead arm tucked into your body and the trailing arm loose.  You can either work your swing plane square to square or up to square, but never down to square.  Gravity has to work on the club some to really hit the ball well.  Try to feel like you have a nice cup in your lead wrist at address and that it disappears and flattens considerably down into and through impact.  That's the way all the strikers do it.


No he didn't get "lucky"  and sorry but you are wrong

Watch Rory make a swing.  Clearly, you can see the shaft of the club leaning toward his target and I see no "cup" in his left wrist at address.  Rory makes one the most fundamental sound as close to perfect as perfect gets swings on tour.

Watch Phil at address, once again his shaft is leaning forward at address.

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Generally the more you have your hands in front the ball, the more likely you are to hit push draws.

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Haha now i am confused, must admit i havent had chance to read up on it yet, I cant really tell how flat it was making my takeaway, but i know when i did it i could physically only swong on one plane, anything else and it felt seriously weird Perhaps i should get a video of it and see, maube from me perspective it looks flat but it actually isnt? Either way it was the best i have hit my irons, and was getting the ball to stop on a sixpence on the practice green with ny wedges Could it be possible the forward lean somehow "pre sets" my wrists and seing plane making it much easier to repeat?

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I've always been told that to hit crisp golf shots with my irons its all about compression and to achieve compression the hands need to be infront of the golf ball at impact. Obviously not miles infront but they need to be infront. By having the hands infront of the ball at impact it promotes a crisp downward strike of the golf ball which as we all know gets it up in the air.

"Forward shaft lean (at impact, the shaft is leaning with the grip end of the club closer to the target than the head of the club) is an absolutely mandatory ingredient for making solid, pro contact. This is a must if you hope to compress the ball (squeeze it between the clubface and the ground) and make your divot after the ball, not before."

http://www.golftipsmag.com/instruction/iron-play/lessons/pro-contact.html

In regards to starting with your hands in front of the ball at address, they say a good swing looks pretty much the same at address and impact so if your have your hands in front of the ball at address they should still be in front of the ball at impact, causing you to compress your irons with clean "ball then turf" contact. I know that there are also big differences between address & impact positions due to static motions vs explosive action but they tend to look quite similar. The thing to remember is that excessive shaft lean causes you to de loft the club, so make sure your not causing the shaft to lean to much. Your hands should only be marginally infront of the ball at address.

Here is a good photo of the setupt to hit an iron with the hands just in front of the ball.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_HsvcrbvCJRk/TAhfb13o_nI/AAAAAAAAABo/-u2bcv17epE/s1600/Zach-Johnson.jpg

Hope this helps.

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Originally Posted by QuazerSKITS

I've always been told that to hit crisp golf shots with my irons its all about compression and to achieve compression the hands need to be infront of the golf ball at impact. Obviously not miles infront but they need to be infront. By having the hands infront of the ball at impact it promotes a crisp downward strike of the golf ball which as we all know gets it up in the air.

"Forward shaft lean (at impact, the shaft is leaning with the grip end of the club closer to the target than the head of the club) is an absolutely mandatory ingredient for making solid, pro contact. This is a must if you hope to compress the ball (squeeze it between the clubface and the ground) and make your divot after the ball, not before."

http://www.golftipsmag.com/instruction/iron-play/lessons/pro-contact.html

In regards to starting with your hands in front of the ball at address, they say a good swing looks pretty much the same at address and impact so if your have your hands in front of the ball at address they should still be in front of the ball at impact, causing you to compress your irons with clean "ball then turf" contact. I know that there are also big differences between address & impact positions due to static motions vs explosive action but they tend to look quite similar. The thing to remember is that excessive shaft lean causes you to de loft the club, so make sure your not causing the shaft to lean to much. Your hands should only be marginally infront of the ball at address.

Here is a good photo of the setupt to hit an iron with the hands just in front of the ball.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_HsvcrbvCJRk/TAhfb13o_nI/AAAAAAAAABo/-u2bcv17epE/s1600/Zach-Johnson.jpg

Hope this helps.



I would like to see a picture of someone squeezing a ball between the clubface and the ground.

 

 

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Originally Posted by QuazerSKITS

the hands need to be infront of the golf ball at impact. Obviously not miles infront but they need to be infront. By having the hands infront of the ball at impact it promotes a crisp downward strike of the golf ball which as we all know gets it up in the air.

"Forward shaft lean (at impact, the shaft is leaning with the grip end of the club closer to the target than the head of the club) is an absolutely mandatory ingredient for making solid, pro contact. This is a must if you hope to compress the ball (squeeze it between the clubface and the ground) and make your divot after the ball, not before."

http://www.golftipsmag.com/instruction/iron-play/lessons/pro-contact.html

In regards to starting with your hands in front of the ball at address, they say a good swing looks pretty much the same at address and impact so if your have your hands in front of the ball at address they should still be in front of the ball at impact, causing you to compress your irons with clean "ball then turf" contact. I know that there are also big differences between address & impact positions due to static motions vs explosive action but they tend to look quite similar. The thing to remember is that excessive shaft lean causes you to de loft the club, so make sure your not causing the shaft to lean to much. Your hands should only be marginally infront of the ball at address.

Here is a good photo of the setupt to hit an iron with the hands just in front of the ball.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_HsvcrbvCJRk/TAhfb13o_nI/AAAAAAAAABo/-u2bcv17epE/s1600/Zach-Johnson.jpg

Hope this helps.


That picture is intriguing, if i had a mental image in my head of what my address looked like when i leaned my hands forward thats what i was thinking

Im going again thursday so will get some video, i definately want to see how tis affecting my backswing as it feels flat and very to the inside, if it is ill revert to my original set-up, if not then i may aswell stick with it as it feels that gurd

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Originally Posted by tanktwo2

Rory makes one the most fundamental sound as close to perfect as perfect gets swings on tour.

He really doesn't.

But a forward leaning shaft at setup is not a bad thing. It will encourage a more forward leaning shaft at impact and a path a little more to the right. Raise the handle, push it forward - we teach that to students.

Originally Posted by michaeljames92

Generally the more you have your hands in front the ball, the more likely you are to hit push draws.


Yep. Path more right.

Originally Posted by benredik

I would like to see a picture of someone squeezing a ball between the clubface and the ground.


Right on: the ball is not actually pinched against anything but the clubhead/clubface. We have a few threads on this scattered about.

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Leaning the hands forward, can it lead to the swing path feeling flat and way inside, is this normal?

to me it felt like i was almost spinning round me hips, if you get me?

and my focal point changed aswell, my head was still right over the ball, but it felt as if i was looking at the ball from infront of it, instead of down at it :S

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Originally Posted by tanktwo2

No he didn't get "lucky"  and sorry but you are wrong

Watch Rory make a swing.  Clearly, you can see the shaft of the club leaning toward his target and I see no "cup" in his left wrist at address.  Rory makes one the most fundamental sound as close to perfect as perfect gets swings on tour.

Watch Phil at address, once again his shaft is leaning forward at address.


Wow.  Talk about taking a breadcrumb and making a day's meal out of it.  OP didn't say "1/2 inch to 1 inch" in his original post.  It's a question of degree.  Move the hands outside the left leg at address and see where that gets you champ.  Otherwise I'm fine with an inch.  My suggestion to the OP is to clarify position in inches relation to zipper instead of saying "forward", because obviously it gives folks leeway to make up whatever strawman they want to argue about.

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By the way, there is clearly a slight cup in both players hands at address.  Try getting your arm in that position relative to your body center and see if you don't have a cup without putting the ball off your right foot.

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I have a significant shaft lean at address.  not outside my lead leg, but definitely more than that photo of zach johnson.  I am NOT suggesting that its correct.  In fact, last night I was working on making it a much slighter lean, but it left me feeling weak and flippy.

Is there a proper degree or range of degrees?  Should it be between 2 and 5 degrees of lean or something?

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Bunker,.....apologies cna see it was a loose itteration of direction

in relation to zipper i would say half an inch to an inch left of my zipper, towards the target

generally i try to keep everything in line with the ball, head, sternum, hands

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I think the shaft should point into the right side of your left thigh.  I've had a couple of people tell me this, not sure if its true or not.

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Look.  If you want to "press" them an inch forward or so, that's fine.  Don't do this:

strongGripHandsTooFarForward.jpg

Notice there is almost no cup in the left wrist and the right arm is ramrod straight.  Do something like this instead with cup and a soft right arm:

57e131ec_tiger_wedge.jpg

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I like raising the handle and giving the shaft a "1/2 push forward before I start my backswing. For me it promotes the hinge in the trailing wrist and the flat leading wrist... And from there it is simply back and through...

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