Mac O'Grady Model Swing

[Douglas2963]

MAC MODEL

Bennett and Plumber took instruction from Mac and wrote Stack and Tilt.  Stack and tilt was the rage and then was not. Mac was not stack and tilt in their sense but many similarities exist.  It may be the most efficient way to create optimum compression consistently. 

Watch this:

Comments???

**P1 – ADDRESS:**

- FEET WIDE LEFT TOE OUT ABOUT 34 DEGREES 
- ARMS HANGING NATURALLY WITH A LITTLE SET IN LEFT WRIST 
- LEFT WRIST CUPPED, RIGHT WRIST STRAIGHT 
- CENTRE OF HIPS JUST INSIDE HEELS
- RIGHT EAR STRAIGHT LINE TO CENTRE OF HIP
- RIGHT ARMPIT TO FRONT OF RIGHT KNEE
- SHAFT PLANE TO BELT BUCKLE OR MIDDLE OF HIPS WHERE SHIRT MEETS PANTS
- WEIGHT DISTRIBUTION EVEN
- KNEES SLIGHTLY OUTWARDS AS IF SITTING ON HORSE
- ANKLES WIDER THAN KNEES
- TOES FLARED OUT TO HELP RIGHT LEG STRAIGHTEN WHICH ALLOWS FOR EXTERNAL ROTATION IN HIP AND LEFT LEG FLEX WHICH ALLOW FOR SPINE TO TILT SLIGHTLY TO LEFT
- CENTRE OF CHEST OVER HIPS
- HEAD TILTED SLIGHTLY TOWARD TARGET
- RIGHT SHOULDER CONSIDERABLY LOWER THAN LEFT MAKING RIGHT EYE LOWER THAN LEFT EYE AND RIGHT EAR LOWER THAN LEFT
- SHAFT LEANING FORWARD SLIGHTLY
- HANDS OPPOSITE INSIDE OF LEFT HIP
- BALL ABOUT 2 INCHES INSIDE OF LEFT HEEL (LOOKS LIKE MID-IRON)

P2 – SHAFT PARALLEL TO GROUND:

- CLUB HEAD DISSECTS SHAFT PLANE LINE
- LEFT HAND JUST OUTSIDE OF RIGHT LEG ABOVE KNEE
- RIGHT ARM STARTING TO FOLD
- NO LATERAL MOVEMENT
- RIGHT FOREARM ALONG AND PARALLEL TO SHAFT PLANE LINE TO ELBOW

P3 – LEFT ARM PARALLEL TO GROUND:

- SHAFT 90 DEGREES
- LEFT SHOULDER UNDERNEATH CHIN AND IN CENTER OF HIPS
- RIGHT LEG STRAIGHTENING AND LEFT LEG FLEXES INCREMENTALLY AND RIGHT HIP MOVING TARGETWARD
- HANDS DISSECTING JUST UNDERNEATH RIGHT BICEP
- HIPS APPROXIMATELY LEVEL, RIGHT MAY BE MARGINALLY HIGHER
- RIGHT LEG 174 DEGREES

P-4:  TOP

- MORE STRAIGHTENING OF RIGHT LEG AND MORE FLEXING OF LEFT LEG ALLOWING RIGHT HIP TO TURN MORE BEHIND HIM
- RIGHT LEG 168 DEGREES
- CONTINUED ROTATION IN RIGHT HIP
- LEFT ARM PARALLELS SHOULDERS
- RIGHT FORARMS SIMILAR TO SPINE ANGLE BUT SLIGHTLY MORE UPRIGHT
- FACE ANGLE PARALLEL TO LEFT WRIST, FOREARM AND SHOULDERS
- SPINE TILTING TO LEFT

P-5:  LEFT ARM PARALLEL TO GROUND

- WITH KNEES SEPARATING SLIGHT DROP OF HEAD
- HIPS SLIDE, LEFT SHOULDER PULLS TARGETWARD AND HEAD MOVE FORWARD
- WEIGHT PUSHED DOWN INTO LEFT FOOT
- RIGHT SHOULDER HIGHER THAN LEFT
- CHEST ON TOP OF BELT BUCKLE
- LEFT KNEE FLEXED AND FORWARD
- PULL OF LEFT SHOULDER CREATES LAG AND IS CRITICAL, CLUB DROPS BEHIND

P-6:  SHAFT PARALLEL TO GROUND

- RIGHT SHOULDER NOW LOWER THAN LEFT
- CENTER OF TRIANGLE JUST BEHIND BELT BUCKLE
- LEFT HAND ON INSIDE OF RIGHT THIGH 
- RIGHT HAND IN CENTRE OF RIGHT THIGH
- CLUB IN LINE WITH HANDS
- TOP OF RIGHT ARM STAYS ON SIDE THOUGHOUT SWING
- MAINTAINING LAG, JUST PRIOR TO P-6 ANGLE BETWEEN LEFT ARM AND SHAFT IS 98, LEFT HAND IN MIDDLE OF RIGHT THIGH AND RIGHT HAND ON OUTSIDE OF RIGHT THIGH

P-7:  IMPACT

- FLEXION WITH SPINE TILTING BACK
- AT FLEXION HEAD GOES UP
- RIGHT BENT LEFT BOWED THROUGH IMPACT PAST LOW POINT
- LEFT LEG FLEXED BUT STRAIGHTENING THROUGH IMPACT
- POST IMPACT LEFT LEG STRAIGHTENED 
- LEFT SHOULDER CENTRE OF SWING FULCRUM
- EYELINE THROUGH HANDS TO AIMPOINT, AIMING HANDS AT THAT SPOT ON GROUND IN FRONT OF BALL SO EYES LOOK THROUGH HANDS TO AIMPOINT
- CENTRE OF HEAD OVER RIGHT KNEE AT IMPACT
- LEFT HAND FLAT IN MIDDLE OF LEFT THIGH OVER BENT LEFT KNEE
- WEIGHT 90-10 AND RIGHT SHOULDER AT BACK OF RIGHT KNEE
- RIGHT HAND BENT AND HALFWAY BETWEEN INSIDE OF RIGHT THIGH AND MIDDLE OF RIGHT THIGH
- LOW POINT SHAFT STILL FLEXED, RIGHT WRIST BENT LEFT BOWED
- RIGHT WRIST MIDDLE OF LEFT THIGH, LEFT WRIST ON OUTSIDE OF LEFT THIGH

P-8:  SHAFT PARALLEL TO GROUND

- LEFT SHOULDER TO HIP AND ACROSS HIP 82

P-9:  RIGHT ARM PARALLEL TO GROUND

- RIGHT ARM PARALLEL TO GROUND
- FROM 9-10 CLUB CUTS OUT UNDERNEATH LEFT SHOULDER

P-10 FINISH

- RIGHT SPINE TO HIP, HIP TO TOE 145
- LEFT SPINE TO HIP, HIP TO OUTSIDE OF LEFT FOOT 156
- 95% OF WEIGHT ON LEFT FOOT AT HEEL

P4 – TOP
P5 – LEFT ARM PARALLEL TO GROUND SIMILAR TO P3
P6 – SHAFT PARALLEL TO TARGET LINE
P7 – IMPACT
P8 – LEFT ARM PARALLEL TO GROUND
P9 – FINISH

CENTRIPETAL FORCE NOT CENTRIFUGAL FORCE

CENTERED OVER FEET AT ADDRESS

RIGHT ELBOW ON RIB CAGE FROM P2 TO P3

FEMER (CENTER OF RIGHT LEG ABOVE KNEE) MOVES 3” FORWARD ON BACK SWING

P3 – ELBOWS CLOSE TOGETHER – HIDE RIGHT FOREARM BEHIND RIGHT HAND

P4 – LEFT ARM BELOW RIGHT SHOULDER

P4 – RIGHT ELBOW ON SHIRT LINE

OVER LEFT FOOT TO BEGIN DOWN SWING

MOVE BODY FORWARD 

EYES TRACK TILT AT FINISH

[iacas]

Oy.

[MarvChamp]

How many swing thoughts before head-exploding overload? 😎 Best, -Marv

[saevel25]

[Keep It Simple]

  On 9/7/2019 at 1:13 PM, Douglas2963 said:

It may be the most efficient way to create optimum compression consistently. 

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Tiger Woods:  Hold my beer!

 

[boogielicious]

Is there going to be a quiz? I was told there wouldn’t be any tests.

[70sSanO]

And to think my younger brother used to say... “Golf is easy, just bring the club back to where it started.”

John

[Vinsk]

  On 9/7/2019 at 1:13 PM, Douglas2963 said:

MAC MODEL

Bennett and Plumber took instruction from Mac and wrote Stack and Tilt.  Stack and tilt was the rage and then was not. Mac was not stack and tilt in their sense but many similarities exist.  It may be the most efficient way to create optimum compression consistently. 

Watch this:

Comments???

**P1 – ADDRESS:**

- FEET WIDE LEFT TOE OUT ABOUT 34 DEGREES 
- ARMS HANGING NATURALLY WITH A LITTLE SET IN LEFT WRIST 
- LEFT WRIST CUPPED, RIGHT WRIST STRAIGHT 
- CENTRE OF HIPS JUST INSIDE HEELS
- RIGHT EAR STRAIGHT LINE TO CENTRE OF HIP
- RIGHT ARMPIT TO FRONT OF RIGHT KNEE
- SHAFT PLANE TO BELT BUCKLE OR MIDDLE OF HIPS WHERE SHIRT MEETS PANTS
- WEIGHT DISTRIBUTION EVEN
- KNEES SLIGHTLY OUTWARDS AS IF SITTING ON HORSE
- ANKLES WIDER THAN KNEES
- TOES FLARED OUT TO HELP RIGHT LEG STRAIGHTEN WHICH ALLOWS FOR EXTERNAL ROTATION IN HIP AND LEFT LEG FLEX WHICH ALLOW FOR SPINE TO TILT SLIGHTLY TO LEFT
- CENTRE OF CHEST OVER HIPS
- HEAD TILTED SLIGHTLY TOWARD TARGET
- RIGHT SHOULDER CONSIDERABLY LOWER THAN LEFT MAKING RIGHT EYE LOWER THAN LEFT EYE AND RIGHT EAR LOWER THAN LEFT
- SHAFT LEANING FORWARD SLIGHTLY
- HANDS OPPOSITE INSIDE OF LEFT HIP
- BALL ABOUT 2 INCHES INSIDE OF LEFT HEEL (LOOKS LIKE MID-IRON)

P2 – SHAFT PARALLEL TO GROUND:

- CLUB HEAD DISSECTS SHAFT PLANE LINE
- LEFT HAND JUST OUTSIDE OF RIGHT LEG ABOVE KNEE
- RIGHT ARM STARTING TO FOLD
- NO LATERAL MOVEMENT
- RIGHT FOREARM ALONG AND PARALLEL TO SHAFT PLANE LINE TO ELBOW

P3 – LEFT ARM PARALLEL TO GROUND:

- SHAFT 90 DEGREES
- LEFT SHOULDER UNDERNEATH CHIN AND IN CENTER OF HIPS
- RIGHT LEG STRAIGHTENING AND LEFT LEG FLEXES INCREMENTALLY AND RIGHT HIP MOVING TARGETWARD
- HANDS DISSECTING JUST UNDERNEATH RIGHT BICEP
- HIPS APPROXIMATELY LEVEL, RIGHT MAY BE MARGINALLY HIGHER
- RIGHT LEG 174 DEGREES

P-4:  TOP

- MORE STRAIGHTENING OF RIGHT LEG AND MORE FLEXING OF LEFT LEG ALLOWING RIGHT HIP TO TURN MORE BEHIND HIM
- RIGHT LEG 168 DEGREES
- CONTINUED ROTATION IN RIGHT HIP
- LEFT ARM PARALLELS SHOULDERS
- RIGHT FORARMS SIMILAR TO SPINE ANGLE BUT SLIGHTLY MORE UPRIGHT
- FACE ANGLE PARALLEL TO LEFT WRIST, FOREARM AND SHOULDERS
- SPINE TILTING TO LEFT

P-5:  LEFT ARM PARALLEL TO GROUND

- WITH KNEES SEPARATING SLIGHT DROP OF HEAD
- HIPS SLIDE, LEFT SHOULDER PULLS TARGETWARD AND HEAD MOVE FORWARD
- WEIGHT PUSHED DOWN INTO LEFT FOOT
- RIGHT SHOULDER HIGHER THAN LEFT
- CHEST ON TOP OF BELT BUCKLE
- LEFT KNEE FLEXED AND FORWARD
- PULL OF LEFT SHOULDER CREATES LAG AND IS CRITICAL, CLUB DROPS BEHIND

P-6:  SHAFT PARALLEL TO GROUND

- RIGHT SHOULDER NOW LOWER THAN LEFT
- CENTER OF TRIANGLE JUST BEHIND BELT BUCKLE
- LEFT HAND ON INSIDE OF RIGHT THIGH 
- RIGHT HAND IN CENTRE OF RIGHT THIGH
- CLUB IN LINE WITH HANDS
- TOP OF RIGHT ARM STAYS ON SIDE THOUGHOUT SWING
- MAINTAINING LAG, JUST PRIOR TO P-6 ANGLE BETWEEN LEFT ARM AND SHAFT IS 98, LEFT HAND IN MIDDLE OF RIGHT THIGH AND RIGHT HAND ON OUTSIDE OF RIGHT THIGH

P-7:  IMPACT

- FLEXION WITH SPINE TILTING BACK
- AT FLEXION HEAD GOES UP
- RIGHT BENT LEFT BOWED THROUGH IMPACT PAST LOW POINT
- LEFT LEG FLEXED BUT STRAIGHTENING THROUGH IMPACT
- POST IMPACT LEFT LEG STRAIGHTENED 
- LEFT SHOULDER CENTRE OF SWING FULCRUM
- EYELINE THROUGH HANDS TO AIMPOINT, AIMING HANDS AT THAT SPOT ON GROUND IN FRONT OF BALL SO EYES LOOK THROUGH HANDS TO AIMPOINT
- CENTRE OF HEAD OVER RIGHT KNEE AT IMPACT
- LEFT HAND FLAT IN MIDDLE OF LEFT THIGH OVER BENT LEFT KNEE
- WEIGHT 90-10 AND RIGHT SHOULDER AT BACK OF RIGHT KNEE
- RIGHT HAND BENT AND HALFWAY BETWEEN INSIDE OF RIGHT THIGH AND MIDDLE OF RIGHT THIGH
- LOW POINT SHAFT STILL FLEXED, RIGHT WRIST BENT LEFT BOWED
- RIGHT WRIST MIDDLE OF LEFT THIGH, LEFT WRIST ON OUTSIDE OF LEFT THIGH

P-8:  SHAFT PARALLEL TO GROUND

- LEFT SHOULDER TO HIP AND ACROSS HIP 82

P-9:  RIGHT ARM PARALLEL TO GROUND

- RIGHT ARM PARALLEL TO GROUND
- FROM 9-10 CLUB CUTS OUT UNDERNEATH LEFT SHOULDER

P-10 FINISH

- RIGHT SPINE TO HIP, HIP TO TOE 145
- LEFT SPINE TO HIP, HIP TO OUTSIDE OF LEFT FOOT 156
- 95% OF WEIGHT ON LEFT FOOT AT HEEL

P4 – TOP
P5 – LEFT ARM PARALLEL TO GROUND SIMILAR TO P3
P6 – SHAFT PARALLEL TO TARGET LINE
P7 – IMPACT
P8 – LEFT ARM PARALLEL TO GROUND
P9 – FINISH

CENTRIPETAL FORCE NOT CENTRIFUGAL FORCE

CENTERED OVER FEET AT ADDRESS

RIGHT ELBOW ON RIB CAGE FROM P2 TO P3

FEMER (CENTER OF RIGHT LEG ABOVE KNEE) MOVES 3” FORWARD ON BACK SWING

P3 – ELBOWS CLOSE TOGETHER – HIDE RIGHT FOREARM BEHIND RIGHT HAND

P4 – LEFT ARM BELOW RIGHT SHOULDER

P4 – RIGHT ELBOW ON SHIRT LINE

OVER LEFT FOOT TO BEGIN DOWN SWING

MOVE BODY FORWARD 

EYES TRACK TILT AT FINISH

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Lol! Wow.

[iacas]

@Douglas2963, I've gotta ask… what's the point?

@mvmac and I are in the top 5% of golf instructors in the world in terms of "Mac knowledge," and I'm still asking that question. That's in fact WHY I'm asking that question.

[Douglas2963]

  On 9/7/2019 at 8:43 PM, iacas said:

@Douglas2963, I've gotta ask… what's the point?

@mvmac and I are in the top 5% of golf instructors in the world in terms of "Mac knowledge," and I'm still asking that question. That's in fact WHY I'm asking that question.

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Really no point, just putting it out there. Take away all the words and just look at what he does. Love the angle in video. Cannot imaging anyone who creates such an efficient impact position. A lot to learn from Mac. Not complex if you do not want it to be.  

[iacas]

  On 9/7/2019 at 11:32 PM, Douglas2963 said:

Cannot imaging anyone who creates such an efficient impact position.

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What does that mean? Because thousands of guys create an equally good or better impact position, IMO.

[Vinsk]

Regarding a rear view angle ( I agree it’s a good view to observe)..I don’t think Mac’s swing is any better nor efficient than this one. 

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[mvmac]

  On 9/7/2019 at 1:13 PM, Douglas2963 said:

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There is no "Mac Model", he has three: CP, CF and Inline.

He got some stuff really right and other stuff really wrong. No doubt a huge influence to a lot of instructors and played a big role with moving golf instruction from the dark ages to the start of a systematic approach, consulting with experts and applying a cause and effect approach.

By no means the most efficient way to create the best impact conditions.

[Douglas2963]

  On 9/8/2019 at 12:54 AM, iacas said:

What does that mean? Because thousands of guys create an equally good or better impact position, IMO.

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Not too interested in going back and forth with anyone on what their opinion is because opinion implies ego. Have a low tolerance for ego. Opinions are conclusive and create conflict.  Will not tell someone I am right and they are wrong.  Now dialogue is different. We are all blocked by pre-conceptions through so many factors.  To be open to the processing of information in a setting where there is no opinion formed is a great basis for learning. 
So in saying that and making a comment on what has been put out there, saying that lots of guys create an equally good or better impact position is based on what?  Is it worth a discussion? If so what is your basis for making this assumption. Personally not interested in hearing it, but may make for a good discussion with others.  
The swing sent of the player 'back on' and the comment saying this person creates as good or better impact position than Mac is an opinion, not based on facts. If I was to give my opinion it would be different but have no interest in going back and forth with opinion. There are lots of ways to get the job done and in the end the best 'players' know how to make what they have work. The best players in most cases are not the best ball strikers and as we all know there are so many factors in making up the 'game' than ball striking. Mac would know that as he was not a good putter. Just put the Mac Model information out there for interest sake.  Read it, take something or nothing from it on not, and understand what he does and why he does it. Good basis for dialogue.  

Enjoy. 

 

  On 9/9/2019 at 2:32 AM, mvmac said:

There is no "Mac Model", he has three: CP, CF and Inline.

He got some stuff really right and other stuff really wrong. No doubt a huge influence to a lot of instructors and played a big role with moving golf instruction from the dark ages to the start of a systematic approach, consulting with experts and applying a cause and effect approach.

By no means the most efficient way to create the best impact conditions.

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Would just love to disagree with you . Will not however.  Case closed.  

Enjoy your golf mvmac. 

[Vinsk]

  On 9/9/2019 at 1:57 PM, Douglas2963 said:

So in saying that and making a comment on what has been put out there, saying that lots of guys create an equally good or better impact position is based on what? 

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Um...Ball striking stats? Wins on tour, distance and accuracy based on TrackMan numbers. The fact that JT weighs 145lbs yet hits it a mile longer than Mac? Tons of video with mechanics analyzed through technology. 

Nice little post you wrote there but what you’re basically saying, and we’ve all seen this many times before, is:

I think Mac is the greatest ball striker of all time. I don’t like my opinions to questioned. I want people to agree with me because I’m a nice guy. I don’t want to hear all that data, fact and statistical information unless it agrees with my opinions. I won’t have any of it! I just want people who think like me to post.

Come on man....

[Douglas2963]

Enjoy your golf Kevin.  

[saevel25]

  On 9/9/2019 at 2:04 PM, Vinsk said:

Nice little post you wrote there but what you’re basically saying, and we’ve all seen this many times before, is:

I think Mac is the greatest ball striker of all time. I don’t like my opinions to questioned. I want people to agree with me because I’m a nice guy. I don’t want to hear all that data, fact and statistical information unless it agrees with my opinions. I won’t have any of it! I just want people who think like me to post.

Come on man...

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My initial thought was the same.

His first two paragraphs were just him framing the game to allow him to claim the following,

Everyone's counter comments are nothing more than ego driven opinions and should be discounted.

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Which is total "BS". You can have opinions that are not ego driven.

It's not worth playing his game.

[Vinsk]

Well said @saevel25.