Jump to content
IGNORED

General COVID-19 Topic


iacas

Recommended Posts

12 hours ago, iacas said:

 

I have been reading reports out of India. It is really bad. Only 2% of the population vaccinated and variants running wild. 300,000+ cases a day. 

10 hours ago, StuM said:

A friend is on a ventilator today. 52 years old and he never took Covid seriously. This article hits too close to home.

edb38347fbe534588871ed240216f74e

ROYAL OAK, Mich. — At Beaumont Hospital, Royal Oak, in one of America’s worst coronavirus hot...

 

Cautionary tales. I had two Michigan friends in their 40s, both healthy, spend six days each in the hospital recently. 

Getting my second Pfizer shot tomorrow. 

- Mark

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

  • Replies 3.7k
  • Created
  • Last Reply

Top Posters In This Topic

Top Posters In This Topic

Posted Images

  • Administrator
30 minutes ago, Braivo said:

I have been reading reports out of India. It is really bad. Only 2% of the population vaccinated and variants running wild. 300,000+ cases a day. 

Cautionary tales. I had two Michigan friends in their 40s, both healthy, spend six days each in the hospital recently. 

Getting my second Pfizer shot tomorrow. 

Has your stance shifted?

No Leon Letting.

Erik J. Barzeski —  I knock a ball. It goes in a gopher hole. 🏌🏼‍♂️
Director of Instruction Golf Evolution • Owner, The Sand Trap .com • AuthorLowest Score Wins
Golf Digest "Best Young Teachers in America" 2016-17 & "Best in State" 2017-20 • WNY Section PGA Teacher of the Year 2019 :edel: :true_linkswear:

Check Out: New Topics | TST Blog | Golf Terms | Instructional Content | Analyzr | LSW | Instructional Droplets

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

5 minutes ago, Braivo said:

I have been reading reports out of India. It is really bad. Only 2% of the population vaccinated and variants running wild. 300,000+ cases a day. 

Yes, India is bad, but you also need to look at it in terms of absolute numbers.  We have 1.3 billion people.  The numbers are huge in absolute terms, but in percentage terms they are small.  Also, vaccinating such a huge number of people is difficult.  They are rationing who is eligible for a vaccine.  It started with 60+ and frontline workers/people.  Next they moved down to 45+.  Next month they will be opening it up for 18+.  Given that the median age is 26 a huge chunk of the population hasn't been eligible for the vaccine yet.

What's in the bag

  • Taylor Made r5 dual Draw 9.5* (stiff)
  • Cobra Baffler 4H (stiff)
  • Taylor Made RAC OS 6-9,P,S (regular)
  • Golden Bear LD5.0 60* (regular)
  • Aidia Z-009 Putter
  • Inesis Soft 500 golf ball
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

34 minutes ago, iacas said:

Has your stance shifted?

No Leon Letting.

No. I’ve always been of the opinion we should vaccinate as fast as possible and avoid needless risks. 
 

My issue is with the arbitrary rules that have made things difficult for my teens. For example, there were 15,000 unmasked people at the UFC event in Florida on Saturday. Meanwhile, my 13yo daughter has been quarantined for the third time since January and has to get a weekly Covid test to play 7v7 outdoor rec soccer (with a mask on). 
 

But that’s me as a father speaking. Obviously biased because I hate seeing my kids struggle. 

- Mark

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

  • Administrator
16 minutes ago, pganapathy said:

Yes, India is bad, but you also need to look at it in terms of absolute numbers.  We have 1.3 billion people.  The numbers are huge in absolute terms, but in percentage terms they are small.  Also, vaccinating such a huge number of people is difficult.  They are rationing who is eligible for a vaccine.  It started with 60+ and frontline workers/people.  Next they moved down to 45+.  Next month they will be opening it up for 18+.  Given that the median age is 26 a huge chunk of the population hasn't been eligible for the vaccine yet.

2% of 1.3B << 50% of 330M

1 minute ago, Braivo said:

My issue is with the arbitrary rules that have made things difficult for my teens. For example, there were 15,000 unmasked people at the UFC event in Florida on Saturday. Meanwhile, my 13yo daughter has been quarantined for the third time since January and has to get a weekly Covid test to play 7v7 outdoor rec soccer (with a mask on). 

They’re not arbitrary, and a lot of them are seen as legally necessary to even allow your kids to play soccer.

Your beef is with several local organizations, too, not “the gubment.”

Erik J. Barzeski —  I knock a ball. It goes in a gopher hole. 🏌🏼‍♂️
Director of Instruction Golf Evolution • Owner, The Sand Trap .com • AuthorLowest Score Wins
Golf Digest "Best Young Teachers in America" 2016-17 & "Best in State" 2017-20 • WNY Section PGA Teacher of the Year 2019 :edel: :true_linkswear:

Check Out: New Topics | TST Blog | Golf Terms | Instructional Content | Analyzr | LSW | Instructional Droplets

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

5 minutes ago, iacas said:

Your beef is with several local organizations, too, not “the gubment.”

Correct. Local orgs. State rules. It’s a disorganized mess. I can drive 20 minutes into Ohio and they haven’t required a single athlete to get tested all year. They play without masks. Does Covid stop at the border? 
 

Anyway, get the vax. Let’s be done with all of this. 

- Mark

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

2 hours ago, Braivo said:

Correct. Local orgs. State rules. It’s a disorganized mess. I can drive 20 minutes into Ohio and they haven’t required a single athlete to get tested all year. They play without masks. Does Covid stop at the border? 
 

Anyway, get the vax. Let’s be done with all of this. 

Just to reiterate. There are places that are pretty much done with almost all of that.  😊


Given the current CDC guidance regarding masks/distancing even when vaccinated, and that nobody can even reasonably define what the “endzone” looks like, I wonder if some areas will ever be done with it.  

 

In David's bag....

Driver: Titleist 910 D-3;  9.5* Diamana Kai'li
3-Wood: Titleist 910F;  15* Diamana Kai'li
Hybrids: Titleist 910H 19* and 21* Diamana Kai'li
Irons: Titleist 695cb 5-Pw

Wedges: Scratch 51-11 TNC grind, Vokey SM-5's;  56-14 F grind and 60-11 K grind
Putter: Scotty Cameron Kombi S
Ball: ProV1

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

  • Administrator
2 minutes ago, David in FL said:

Just to reiterate. There are places that are pretty much done with almost all of that.  😊

You keep wearing that like it's a badge of honor, and yet… we have no idea how many lives FL's… let's go with "attitude"… has cost us. And it's not even all that accurate - many places and towns in FL had tighter restrictions and laws. And fortunately some people had more common sense than you've seemingly displayed.

3 minutes ago, David in FL said:

Given the current CDC guidance regarding masks/distancing even when vaccinated, and that nobody can even reasonably define what the “endzone” looks like, I wonder if some areas will ever be done with it.  

Oh my, yes.

They're telling people who have been vaccinated to keep wearing masks when in public places for pretty common sense, logical reasons.

They've said vaccinated people can hang out indoors with other vaccinated people, too.

Erik J. Barzeski —  I knock a ball. It goes in a gopher hole. 🏌🏼‍♂️
Director of Instruction Golf Evolution • Owner, The Sand Trap .com • AuthorLowest Score Wins
Golf Digest "Best Young Teachers in America" 2016-17 & "Best in State" 2017-20 • WNY Section PGA Teacher of the Year 2019 :edel: :true_linkswear:

Check Out: New Topics | TST Blog | Golf Terms | Instructional Content | Analyzr | LSW | Instructional Droplets

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

7 minutes ago, iacas said:

They're telling people who have been vaccinated to keep wearing masks when in public places for pretty common sense, logical reasons.

They've said vaccinated people can hang out indoors with other vaccinated people, too.

I am totally fine with this. 

1st, you have no clue who is vaccinated. Someone could just be posing as a vaccinated person just because those who are stopped wearing masks. 

2nd, even though more evidence is showing vaccinated people do not carry the virus, its just safe to require the masks. 

3rd, for me it just feels like the right thing to do. To be a good neighbor and not rub it in the face of those who don't want to get the vaccine or have struggled to get one so far. 

 

Matt Dougherty, P.E.
 fasdfa dfdsaf 

What's in My Bag
Driver; :pxg: 0311 Gen 5,  3-Wood: 
:titleist: 917h3 ,  Hybrid:  :titleist: 915 2-Hybrid,  Irons: Sub 70 TAIII Fordged
Wedges: :edel: (52, 56, 60),  Putter: :edel:,  Ball: :snell: MTB,  Shoe: :true_linkswear:,  Rangfinder: :leupold:
Bag: :ping:

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

18 minutes ago, David in FL said:

... that nobody can even reasonably define what the “endzone” looks like, I wonder if some areas will ever be done with it.  

 

Just because they remove the paint from the end zones in the Packers/Bears game doesn't mean the players still won't run in that direction.

Link to comment
Share on other sites


15 minutes ago, iacas said:

You keep wearing that like it's a badge of honor, and yet… we have no idea how many lives FL's stupidity has cost us. And it's not even all that accurate - many places and towns in FL had tighter restrictions and laws. And fortunately some people had more common sense than you've seemingly displayed.

 

 

I am very proud of Florida.  Many other like minded states too.

Where are those “many places and towns”?  Come on down and see.  😊

 

15 minutes ago, iacas said:

They're telling people who have been vaccinated to keep wearing masks when in public places for pretty common sense, logical reasons.

 

 

Yep.  And my question remains.  When does it end?   I know that you’re a fan of the Leon Lett analogy, but for that to work, we need to at least know where the goal line is.  Right now, that’s more of a Potter Stewart situation.  We can’t define it, but somehow we’ll know it when/if we ever see it.  

 

15 minutes ago, iacas said:

They've said vaccinated people can hang out indoors with other vaccinated people, too.

That’s mighty benevolent of them.  😂

In David's bag....

Driver: Titleist 910 D-3;  9.5* Diamana Kai'li
3-Wood: Titleist 910F;  15* Diamana Kai'li
Hybrids: Titleist 910H 19* and 21* Diamana Kai'li
Irons: Titleist 695cb 5-Pw

Wedges: Scratch 51-11 TNC grind, Vokey SM-5's;  56-14 F grind and 60-11 K grind
Putter: Scotty Cameron Kombi S
Ball: ProV1

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

11 minutes ago, David in FL said:

Given the current CDC guidance regarding masks/distancing even when vaccinated, and that nobody can even reasonably define what the “endzone” looks like, I wonder if some areas will ever be done with it.  

It's over when the citizens of any given state demand that it's over. The governor of Michigan declined to add new restrictions despite having one of the worst outbreaks in the world. Why? The pressure from the citizens of Michigan was immense. Polling showed about 70% were against any further lockdowns or restrictions. It would have been a terribly unpopular move, and she didn't make it. Agree or disagree, that's what happened. (For reference she instituted very strict measures late last year when they were popular and well received, despite a far smaller outbreak.)

People in many places (FL, TX, MS, AL, WV, etc) are already "done" with it. 

Vaccines are available to anyone over age 16, and supply is plentiful in most places. People can make their own risk decisions from this point forward. 

3 hours ago, iacas said:

Your beef is with several local organizations, too, not “the gubment.”

I take issue with this type of argument. You take any critique of lockdowns or other restrictions and immediately lump me in with the uneducated anti-vax "don't tell me what to do" crowd. There's room for nuance and discussion but most people won't hear it. 

- Mark

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

1 minute ago, Braivo said:

It's over when the citizens of any given state demand that it's over. The governor of Michigan declined to add new restrictions despite having one of the worst outbreaks in the world. Why? The pressure from the citizens of Michigan was immense. Polling showed about 70% were against any further lockdowns or restrictions. It would have been a terribly unpopular move, and she didn't make it. Agree or disagree, that's what happened. (For reference she instituted very strict measures late last year when they were popular and well received, despite a far smaller outbreak.)

People in many places (FL, TX, MS, AL, WV, etc) are already "done" with it. 

Vaccines are available to anyone over age 16, and supply is plentiful in most places. People can make their own risk decisions from this point forward. 

 

I agree for the most part.  :beer:

 

 I was talking more about the CDC and that point, as yet undefined, where they would say “all clear”.  Without knowing that endpoint, the Leon Lett analogy just doesn’t work.  

In David's bag....

Driver: Titleist 910 D-3;  9.5* Diamana Kai'li
3-Wood: Titleist 910F;  15* Diamana Kai'li
Hybrids: Titleist 910H 19* and 21* Diamana Kai'li
Irons: Titleist 695cb 5-Pw

Wedges: Scratch 51-11 TNC grind, Vokey SM-5's;  56-14 F grind and 60-11 K grind
Putter: Scotty Cameron Kombi S
Ball: ProV1

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

  • Administrator
4 minutes ago, David in FL said:

I am very proud of Florida.  Many other like minded states too.

That makes one of you.

4 minutes ago, David in FL said:

When does it end?

A combination of:

  • Enough people vaccinated.
  • A low enough level of cases and hospitalizations.

Just because those are not black and white, crystal-clear lines doesn't mean we can just say "f*** it" and do whatever we want.

4 minutes ago, David in FL said:

I know that you’re a fan of the Leon Lett analogy, but for that to work, we need to at least know where the goal line is.

The goal line is becoming clearer. The analogy still works.

3 minutes ago, Braivo said:

It's over when the citizens of any given state demand that it's over.

No, it's not. That's not how society works. That's not how leadership, or science, any of this stuff works.

3 minutes ago, Braivo said:

It would have been a terribly unpopular move, and she didn't make it.

That doesn't mean it was the "right" move, either. How many lives did she cost to save her political life?

3 minutes ago, Braivo said:

Vaccines are available to anyone over age 16, and supply is plentiful in most places. People can make their own risk decisions from this point forward.

You keep saying this bullshit about how "people can make their own risk decisions" but it's been shown to you several times just what bullshit that is.

It's not that f***ing hard.

  • Wear a mask when you're around people who haven't been vaccinated.
  • Get vaccinated yourself as soon as you're able to.

Biden has said that his goal is to be at herd immunity levels by July 4.

That's not all that far away, and by all counts, we're exceeding expectations for vaccinations, so we should be there sooner.

Erik J. Barzeski —  I knock a ball. It goes in a gopher hole. 🏌🏼‍♂️
Director of Instruction Golf Evolution • Owner, The Sand Trap .com • AuthorLowest Score Wins
Golf Digest "Best Young Teachers in America" 2016-17 & "Best in State" 2017-20 • WNY Section PGA Teacher of the Year 2019 :edel: :true_linkswear:

Check Out: New Topics | TST Blog | Golf Terms | Instructional Content | Analyzr | LSW | Instructional Droplets

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

7 minutes ago, Braivo said:

It's over when the citizens of any given state demand that it's over. The governor of Michigan declined to add new restrictions despite having one of the worst outbreaks in the world. Why? The pressure from the citizens of Michigan was immense. Polling showed about 70% were against any further lockdowns or restrictions. It would have been a terribly unpopular move, and she didn't make it. Agree or disagree, that's what happened. (For reference she instituted very strict measures late last year when they were popular and well received, despite a far smaller outbreak.)

Which is sad, because the populous definitely don't know when it should end. They are just voicing out their frustration. I for one and glad the Ohio Governor decided to stand firm in the face of opposition. 

8 minutes ago, Braivo said:

Vaccines are available to anyone over age 16, and supply is plentiful in most places. People can make their own risk decisions from this point forward. 

They are not making true risk analysis. They are adding in emotions, political stances, and online garbage to their process. If people were doing true risk analysis, everyone would get the vaccine outside of those with known medical conditions who should talk to their doctor about it first. The percentage of people who say they will not get the vaccine is absurdly high for risk versus benefit of getting the vaccine. In the end, it's just being selfish. 

10 minutes ago, Braivo said:

I take issue with this type of argument. You take any critique of lockdowns or other restrictions and immediately lump me in with the uneducated anti-vax "don't tell me what to do" crowd. There's room for nuance and discussion but most people won't hear it. 

There isn't much nuance to be had. What nuance is there? The only arguments I hear are people who spout about civil liberties, yada yada. You know, just do the right fricken thing, it's not that hard to do. 99% of the people I heard that won't take the vaccine are those who are just being anti-establishment. 

1. blood clots from the JJ is extremely rare. 
2. extreme side effects from the vaccine is extremely rare.
3. the vaccine is not putting a chip in your arm for government tracking.
4. the vaccine is amazingly effective. 
5. the vaccine looks to keep you immune from catching it, just not suppressing symptoms. 
6. getting the vaccine will help end all of this sooner and guess what, we can open things up again. YAY!!! 

 

Matt Dougherty, P.E.
 fasdfa dfdsaf 

What's in My Bag
Driver; :pxg: 0311 Gen 5,  3-Wood: 
:titleist: 917h3 ,  Hybrid:  :titleist: 915 2-Hybrid,  Irons: Sub 70 TAIII Fordged
Wedges: :edel: (52, 56, 60),  Putter: :edel:,  Ball: :snell: MTB,  Shoe: :true_linkswear:,  Rangfinder: :leupold:
Bag: :ping:

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

2 minutes ago, iacas said:

No, it's not. That's not how society works. That's not how leadership, or science, any of this stuff works.

That's exactly how it works because that's how it's actually happening. That's reality. All of the other stuff exists in some other realm, because right now the governor of Michigan has refused to institute new restrictions because the people have demanded it to be that way. Right or wrong, that is fact. 

5 minutes ago, iacas said:

You keep saying this bullshit about how "people can make their own risk decisions" but it's been shown to you several times just what bullshit that is.

It's not that f***ing hard.

  • Wear a mask when you're around people who haven't been vaccinated.
  • Get vaccinated yourself as soon as you're able to.

I agree with your two bullet points, seems unnecessary to curse at me over it. Like my point above, no matter what the governor or the CDC says, people will behave according to their own risk tolerances. For example, they basically turned our local prom into an outdoor kids carnival. Many families have decided to hold their own "private" prom unaffiliated with the school. Those families that attend are making their own decisions based on their own risk tolerance. Some will choose to stay home. Fine either way. 

I know people who have been visiting freely with their parents and grandparents for a year, and others who are just now seeing them, with masks on, despite being fully vaccinated. People are doing their own thing. 

3 minutes ago, saevel25 said:

Which is sad, because the populous definitely don't know when it should end.

So people are too stupid to think for themselves? Your tone is quite condescending towards the average person. 

4 minutes ago, saevel25 said:

They are not making true risk analysis. They are adding in emotions, political stances, and online garbage to their process.

You are quite naïve if you think politicians and "leaders" aren't susceptible to the same biases. 

- Mark

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

7 minutes ago, Braivo said:

So people are too stupid to think for themselves? Your tone is quite condescending towards the average person. 

When it comes to viruses yes they are. They have no background in virology. My comment is correct, they have no clue when it should end. The evidence is playing out, they wanted it to end WAY before it should have. It was a few weeks in and people were complaining. In the end, people don't reach out to the experts for information, but make decisions based on their own knowledge and experiences, which turned out to be wrong. 

9 minutes ago, Braivo said:

You are quite naïve if you think politicians and "leaders" aren't susceptible to the same biases. 

I never said they didn't. Most of our elected officials are really not the brightest in our communities. They are just the ones who get elected. There is a reason why they reach out to medical professionals for their expertise. At least the Ohio Governor did. 

Then the populous of Ohio decided to send her death threats and she resigned. The governor still stayed the course by having some level of restrictions and mandates. 

Matt Dougherty, P.E.
 fasdfa dfdsaf 

What's in My Bag
Driver; :pxg: 0311 Gen 5,  3-Wood: 
:titleist: 917h3 ,  Hybrid:  :titleist: 915 2-Hybrid,  Irons: Sub 70 TAIII Fordged
Wedges: :edel: (52, 56, 60),  Putter: :edel:,  Ball: :snell: MTB,  Shoe: :true_linkswear:,  Rangfinder: :leupold:
Bag: :ping:

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

  • Administrator
2 hours ago, Braivo said:

That's exactly how it works because that's how it's actually happening.

No, no, no. And you can say "that's reality" but you're wrong each time you say it. People have been calling for the end of restrictions for quite some time. Weekly votes aren't taken to determine policy. It's unfortunate when decisions are made based on what's "popular," and not what's right or what the science or data tell us.

And we're talking about more than Michigan, man.

2 hours ago, Braivo said:

I agree with your two bullet points, seems unnecessary to curse at me over it.

I wasn't cursing at you. The first paragraph was in response to your post, the stuff after that is "in general." Please don't assume. I'm aware of the fact that you got your vaccine, so why would you think my statement there including the bullet points was directed at you? Don't assume, please.

2 hours ago, Braivo said:

Those families that attend are making their own decisions based on their own risk tolerance.

Again, this has been explained to you a few times. It does not affect only that one person's "risk tolerance." That's not how society works. That's not how viruses works.

2 hours ago, Braivo said:

I know people who have been visiting freely with their parents and grandparents for a year, and others who are just now seeing them, with masks on, despite being fully vaccinated. People are doing their own thing.

So we're in the "anecdotes" part of the discussion now? Cool.

I know people whose parents or aunts or friends have died of COVID despite them doing nothing wrong, and being as safe as they could be, because others made a "risk tolerance" assessment that didn't include the risks to which they were subjecting others.

As in people, aged 42 to 85, are literally dead because of this. But please, tell me again — right after you talk about how viruses don't respect state lines — how viruses respect the "risk tolerance" of each individual.

2 hours ago, Braivo said:

So people are too stupid to think for themselves? Your tone is quite condescending towards the average person.

Now I am talking to you: there is no tone in a text post on the Internet. Any tone you read is tone YOU yourself add to the post. So just stop.

And yeah, the average person isn't all that smart. Not about this stuff. Hell, we have a large portion of a certain subset of the population dead set against even getting the vaccine. People are also selfish.

1 hour ago, saevel25 said:

When it comes to viruses yes they are.

Science in general.

Erik J. Barzeski —  I knock a ball. It goes in a gopher hole. 🏌🏼‍♂️
Director of Instruction Golf Evolution • Owner, The Sand Trap .com • AuthorLowest Score Wins
Golf Digest "Best Young Teachers in America" 2016-17 & "Best in State" 2017-20 • WNY Section PGA Teacher of the Year 2019 :edel: :true_linkswear:

Check Out: New Topics | TST Blog | Golf Terms | Instructional Content | Analyzr | LSW | Instructional Droplets

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now


  • Want to join this community?

    We'd love to have you!

    Sign Up
  • TST Partners

    TourStriker PlaneMate
    Golfer's Journal
    ShotScope
    The Stack System
    FlightScope Mevo
    Direct: Mevo, Mevo+, and Pro Package.

    Coupon Codes (save 10-15%): "IACAS" for Mevo/Stack, "IACASPLUS" for Mevo+/Pro Package, and "THESANDTRAP" for ShotScope.
  • Posts

    • Wordle 1,013 4/6* ⬛🟦🟦⬛⬛ ⬛🟦⬛🟦🟦 🟧⬛🟧🟧🟧 🟧🟧🟧🟧🟧 par is good after a double bogey yesterday.
    • I did read the fine print tonight. It said replace with “similar features & function”.  8 yeas ago my purchase had features that today are available on the lower end models and the current version of my model has more “bells & whistles” than what I got 8 years ago.  So I am thinking they honored the agreement and I can’t argue the offer. since getting a credit for the full purchase price all I am really out over the past 8 years was the cost of the extended warranty, which was less than a low end  treadmill would have cost me. now the question is which model to replace with.  I’ll stay with Nordic Track or I forfeit the $1,463 credit so I will get Nordic Track.  And they honored the warranty and were not hard to work with which is a plus.
    • Generally speaking, extended warranties are a terrible deal and should almost always be avoided. They are a huge profit center for the companies that offer them, which should tell you almost everything you need to know about how much value most consumers get when purchasing them.  This is correct, and the old adage applies - only buy insurance when you can't afford the loss. This usually doesn't apply to most consumer goods.  To your second question, no I don't believe the offer is fair. They are replacing it, but it is not being replaced at "no cost to you". Since the amount being disputed (over $500) is non-trivial, I would probably push the issue. Don't waste your time on the phone with a customer service agent or a supervisor. They have probably given you all they have the authority to do. Rather, I would look at the terms of your agreement and specifically legal disputes. The odds are you probably agreed to binding arbitration in the event of a dispute. The agreement will outline what steps need to be followed, but it will probably look something like this.  1. Mail the Nordic Track legal department outlining your dispute and indicate you are not satisfied with the resolution offered.  2. Open up a case with the AAA (American Arbitration Association), along with the required documentation. 3. Wait about 4-5 weeks for a case to be opened - at which point someone from Nordic Track's legal department will offer to give you the new model at no cost to you.  They certainly don't want to spend the time and energy to fight you over $500. 4. Enjoy your new Nordic Track at no cost to you. I recently entered binding arbitration against a fairly large and well known company that screwed me over and refused to make it right. In my demand letter, I made a pretty sizeable request that included compensation for my time and frustration. Once it hit their legal department, they cut me a check - no questions asked. It was far cheaper to settle with me than to send their legal team to defend them in the arbitration.
    • I never thought of looking at it on multiple purchases like you said.  Yes, the extended may help me on 1 or 2 items but not the other 5 or 6.
    • Day 84 - Forgot to post yesterday, but I did some more chipping/pitching.    Back/neck were feeling better today, so I did a much overdue Stack session. 
×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

Welcome to TST! Signing up is free, and you'll see fewer ads and can talk with fellow golf enthusiasts! By using TST, you agree to our Terms of Use, our Privacy Policy, and our Guidelines.

The popup will be closed in 10 seconds...