GOLFTEC SwingTRU Motion Study

[MiuraMan]

The GOLFTEC SwingTRU Motion Study found a large number of correlations relating skill level to body positions within the swing. From the professional golfer to 30 handicap, we've highlighted six of these positions that most directly relate to skill level.

Read about it here:

SwingTRU Motion Study | GOLFTEC

 

[Edsland]

Thanks for the link, pretty interesting 

[bwdial]

Thank you for posting this.  It was really informative, and I can see using the information when I am practicing.

[dennyjones]

1 hour ago, MiuraMan said:

The GOLFTEC SwingTRU Motion Study found a large number of correlations relating skill level to body positions within the swing. From the professional golfer to 30 handicap, we've highlighted six of these positions that most directly relate to skill level.

Read about it here:

SwingTRU Motion Study | GOLFTEC

 

Are you a Golftec instructor?   

Thanks for sharing btw...

[Vinsk]

I don’t mean to rain on the parade here but just a few things:

1. I can appreciate the effort in this collection of data. But what exactly did it show that isn’t already known?

2. I don’t see this giving any more information than what the guys at AMG have done/are doing.

3. I don’t think just ‘positions’ give a high handicapper much help. These positions are achieved by a proper sequence of motions with proper timing. Anyone can look at Adam Scott and mimic a ‘position’...well...assuming physicality is there...it’s arriving at those positions with proper sequencing of balance, timing and speed. 
 

Maybe I’m wrong. Just throwing this out for discussion.

[iacas]

It's important in looking at these numbers to know how GolfTEC gets their numbers. Their measurement device, I'm pretty sure, is just one sensor on your tailbone.

[MiuraMan]

11 hours ago, dennyjones said:

Are you a Golftec instructor?   

Thanks for sharing btw...

No, I am not a Golftec instructor, nor have I ever trained with them. I would describe myself as a student of the game. I have on two separate occasions used Motion Capture Analysis to analyze my golf swing.

[MiuraMan]

10 hours ago, Vinsk said:

I don’t mean to rain on the parade here but just a few things:

1. I can appreciate the effort in this collection of data. But what exactly did it show that isn’t already known?

2. I don’t see this giving any more information than what the guys at AMG have done/are doing.

3. I don’t think just ‘positions’ give a high handicapper much help. These positions are achieved by a proper sequence of motions with proper timing. Anyone can look at Adam Scott and mimic a ‘position’...well...assuming physicality is there...it’s arriving at those positions with proper sequencing of balance, timing and speed. 
 

Maybe I’m wrong. Just throwing this out for discussion.

1. It doesn't show anything that isn't already known to any biomechanist who has studied the golf swing using Motion Capture. I took part in such a study at the University of Pittsburgh well over 15 years ago. When I was seeing a TPI-certified fitness trainer, around 7 years ago, along with the physical training, they used the K-vest (now known as K-Motion) system. I'll discuss my personal experiences in a separate post.

2. Golftec published what they feel are key indicators of the golf swing to achieve a higher level of performance. Athletic Motion Golf (AMG) has not to my knowledge published their numbers - you can watch their you tube videos (I have watched all of them) and take notes OR spend $250/hr at their Georgia or Louisiana locations and get your swing analyzed.

3. True a high handicapper is not the targeted consumer for Motion Capture Analysis; their money is best spent seeing a local instructor, who can coach around whatever physical limitations they have and help them incrementally improve full swing, short game and putting. However lower handicap amateurs as well as those younger players aspiring to achieve a higher level (and with disposable income) may accelerate their progress by using Motion Capture Analysis - I would guess that a significant number of professional golfers have done so.

[MiuraMan]

10 hours ago, iacas said:

It's important in looking at these numbers to know how GolfTEC gets their numbers. Their measurement device, I'm pretty sure, is just one sensor on your tailbone.

Golftec uses two sensors - upper back and your tailbone, have not used this system, information gotten through a conversation with them when I was looking to buy my son a gift certificate this past holiday season. The other system I have used, K-Vest (now known as K-Motion) used three sensors - upper back, tailbone and wrist. K-Motion has added a 4th sensor on the upper arm. Over 15 years ago I had my swing analyzed at the University of Pittsburgh Biomechanics lab - they used many sensors; high end systems like this are only at universities or maybe Hollywood. Video game developers used these sophisticated systems to capture golf swings for their Golf games (see the Tiger Woods golf game).

Another commercially available system is "mySwing Professional" which uses 17 sensors - lower body, upper body and arms.

[MiuraMan]

For those interested in learning more about how Motion Capture may help the golfer, here is a link to an article: The Importance of Side-Bending at the Top of the Swing

Biomechanics in Action: The Importance of Side-Bending at the Top of the Swing | K MOTION

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By Chris Poulin Attaining Effective Sidebend Ranges Among the golf professionals with whom I’ve worked, it’s widely accepted that there needs to be some side-bending of the upper body at the top of the backswing. But...

Please note most of the articles available are by vendors of Motion Capture devices and/or coaches using these devices.

[iacas]

43 minutes ago, MiuraMan said:

Golftec uses two sensors.

I know. My point was that rotation will read as translation when the sensors are mounted where they are. So it’s important to understand that stuff.

I have a lot of experience with motion capture stuff. GolfTEC is pretty primitive.

[bwdial]

I just liked seeing the pictures, and comparing them with a really poor video I made of myself hitting a couple of shots.  Immediately, I noticed that my hip rotation going back is good, but that I seem to stop close to square at impact, instead of being open.

I know... I know... I need to post a video.  I need to get a set-up that will let me record it properly.

[boogielicious]

44 minutes ago, bwdial said:

I just liked seeing the pictures, and comparing them with a really poor video I made of myself hitting a couple of shots.  Immediately, I noticed that my hip rotation going back is good, but that I seem to stop close to square at impact, instead of being open.

I know... I know... I need to post a video.  I need to get a set-up that will let me record it properly.

Do it! A lot of us have had the same issue with rotation stalling before impact. It’s pretty common,  but it can be fixed.