2023 FedEx Cup Playoffs

[jxdama]

First  i hope Rahm wins. Second they should  have real Playoffs with the  last  16 on the final weekend  staring each other down in match play. Lastly the  playoffs are starting with lift  clean and cheat ruining  it. Do you ever  notice they never show  the  players  lifting the  ball and creating a  perfect tee-up? The soft  conditions  make scoring a  hell of alot  easier  without  allowing the  players to create tee-ups. These guys are so soft. Can you  imagine  in the NFL  a  game was  being  played  in the rain so they changed the rules so the defense  cant  rush the  passer? The  conditions are already  easier due to soft  conditions, ditch the  lift  clean and  cheat.

[iacas]

4 hours ago, jxdama said:

These guys are so soft.

Again… get a new schtick.

[jxdama]

Just now, iacas said:

Again… get a new schtick.

You would think playing  on a soft  course was advantage enough.  I do have an idea thought. If God forbid there  is a speck of  mud  on the  ball pick it  up and  clean it, then you  have to drop the  ball and  play it were  it  lands and  none  of this  placing the  ball if  it ends  up an inch closer to the  hole. NO TEE-UPS

[boogielicious]

@jxdama,  why do you bother watching if all you are going to do is get upset if the scoring is low? They’re all playing by the same rules and they are really good.

I enjoyed watching Kim turn his pants into Capris and John Rahm looking like he’s been racing cyclocross.

[dennyjones]

39 minutes ago, boogielicious said:

I enjoyed watching Kim turn his pants into Capris and John Rahm looking like he’s been racing cyclocross.

+1

[ChetlovesMer]

2 hours ago, boogielicious said:

I enjoyed watching Kim turn his pants into Capris and John Rahm looking like he’s been racing cyclocross.

11 hours ago, jxdama said:

If God forbid there  is a speck of  mud  on the  ball pick it  up and  clean it, then you  have to drop the  ball and  play it were  it  lands and  none  of this  placing the  ball if  it ends  up an inch closer to the  hole. NO TEE-UPS

I will agree.

I think they are a bit quick to allow the lift, clean and place. Seems like back in the day that wasn't nearly as common. 

[snapfade]

What I found humorous was the on air personalities getting their shot predictions wrong. "He's going to have no chance of this ball holding the green from this lie", proceeds to stick ball six feet from the cup. My favorite, "Putting is such a strong point in his game", misses putt.  Made me chuckle from time to time. I'm liking Tom Kim, I'd like to see him win this. Somewhere on this site I mentioned he will most likely win a major down the road. Only one round, things change. Wonder who Phil is betting on this week?

[klineka]

16 hours ago, jxdama said:

Do you ever  notice they never show  the  players  lifting the  ball and creating a  perfect tee-up? 

The point is to watch players hit golf shots, not watch the caddies wipe mud off a ball.

 

16 hours ago, jxdama said:

These guys are so soft. 

You do realize that the players aren't the ones who decide whether or not lift clean and place is in effect, right?

Are baseball players soft because the umpires declare the game to be in a rain delay?

 

The point of every tournament is to identify the best golfer in a fair and equitable way. I watched the coverage for a few hours yesterday and a lot of balls in the fairway had mud on them as soon as they landed. How is it fair if 2 players hit the fairway and 1 player's ball is covered in mud but another player's ball hit a dry spot and ended up with no mud on it? How is having both of them play their shots as they lie a fair and equitable way to compare their skill levels?

This whole "make golf as hard as possible and any score under par is bad" thing is getting pretty old. Your arguments don't utilize any facts, logic, or critical thinking skills.

 

15 minutes ago, snapfade said:

My favorite, "Putting is such a strong point in his game", misses putt.  

I mean both of those things can be true. PGA Tour pros that are in the top 10 on tour from 8 feet still miss the putt 35% of the time. From 10 feet they can miss 45% of the time and still be in the top 10 on tour. 

[jxdama]

1 hour ago, klineka said:

The point is to watch players hit golf shots, not watch the caddies wipe mud off a ball.

 

You do realize that the players aren't the ones who decide whether or not lift clean and place is in effect, right?

Are baseball players soft because the umpires declare the game to be in a rain delay?

 

The point of every tournament is to identify the best golfer in a fair and equitable way. I watched the coverage for a few hours yesterday and a lot of balls in the fairway had mud on them as soon as they landed. How is it fair if 2 players hit the fairway and 1 player's ball is covered in mud but another player's ball hit a dry spot and ended up with no mud on it? How is having both of them play their shots as they lie a fair and equitable way to compare their skill levels?

This whole "make golf as hard as possible and any score under par is bad" thing is getting pretty old. Your arguments don't utilize any facts, logic, or critical thinking skills.

 

I mean both of those things can be true. PGA Tour pros that are in the top 10 on tour from 8 feet still miss the putt 35% of the time. From 10 feet they can miss 45% of the time and still be in the top 10 on tour. 

How  fair  it that  one guys  ball finds a divot and the  other guys  5 feet away  doesnt?  How about this. How  fair  is  it one guy can hit the  ball 45 yards farhter than the  other guy?

1 hour ago, ChetlovesMer said:

I will agree.

I think they are a bit quick to allow the lift, clean and place. Seems like back in the day that wasn't nearly as common. 

True. It seems these days they think ratings are dependent  on how  much under  par the  players are.

1 hour ago, klineka said:

The point is to watch players hit golf shots, not watch the caddies wipe mud off a ball.

 

You do realize that the players aren't the ones who decide whether or not lift clean and place is in effect, right?

Are baseball players soft because the umpires declare the game to be in a rain delay?

 

The point of every tournament is to identify the best golfer in a fair and equitable way. I watched the coverage for a few hours yesterday and a lot of balls in the fairway had mud on them as soon as they landed. How is it fair if 2 players hit the fairway and 1 player's ball is covered in mud but another player's ball hit a dry spot and ended up with no mud on it? How is having both of them play their shots as they lie a fair and equitable way to compare their skill levels?

This whole "make golf as hard as possible and any score under par is bad" thing is getting pretty old. Your arguments don't utilize any facts, logic, or critical thinking skills.

 

I mean both of those things can be true. PGA Tour pros that are in the top 10 on tour from 8 feet still miss the putt 35% of the time. From 10 feet they can miss 45% of the time and still be in the top 10 on tour. 

As to your  point about baseball games  being delayed due to rain. Yes, they delay  games but  after the delay is  over they dont restart the  game  by letting  the  batters  play T-ball. The same rules apply  before and after the delay. I also strongly think to be a true  playoff  the final weekend should  be  match play.

Edited August 11, 2023 by jxdama
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[klineka]

13 minutes ago, jxdama said:

How  fair  it that  one guys  ball finds a divot and the  other guys  5 feet away  doesnt? 

It's not fair. That's why plenty of people think that players shouldn't have to play out of divots.

But that is a much more difficult thing to write a rule on, enforce, etc. LCP on all closely mown areas is very straightforward.

 

13 minutes ago, jxdama said:

 How about this. How  fair  is  it one guy can hit the  ball 45 yards farhter than the  other guy?

Because that is a difference in skill, not a difference in luck. The purpose of a tournament is to identify the most skilled, not the luckiest.

 

13 minutes ago, jxdama said:

As to your  point about baseball games  being delayed due to rain. Yes, they delay  games but  after the delay is  over they dont restart the  game  by letting  the  batters  play T-ball. The same rules apply  before and after the delay.

The same rules apply for all golfers on the same day. It's not like half the field is playing LCP and the other half isn't. 

If the conditions of the course change throughout the day the rules stay the same that day. 

Point still remains that the players aren't the ones who decide whether or not to play LCP so how does the players following the rules make them "soft"?

Edited August 11, 2023 by klineka

[jxdama]

5 hours ago, klineka said:

It's not fair. That's why plenty of people think that players shouldn't have to play out of divots.

But that is a much more difficult thing to write a rule on, enforce, etc. LCP on all closely mown areas is very straightforward.

 

Because that is a difference in skill, not a difference in luck. The purpose of a tournament is to identify the most skilled, not the luckiest.

 

The same rules apply for all golfers on the same day. It's not like half the field is playing LCP and the other half isn't. 

If the conditions of the course change throughout the day the rules stay the same that day. 

Point still remains that the players aren't the ones who decide whether or not to play LCP so how does the players following the rules make them "soft"?

They cater to the  players whims. The  players largely want  birdie fests  on course that  make them look good. Players dont want to be seen making a 7 on a  par 4

Edited August 11, 2023 by jxdama

[jxdama]

Rahm is  out  of  it winning this tournament. 

[iacas]

11 hours ago, jxdama said:

How  fair  it that  one guys  ball finds a divot and the  other guys  5 feet away  doesnt?

Divots happen far less often, and as @klineka pointed out… aren't nearly as easy to legislate.

11 hours ago, jxdama said:

How about this. How  fair  is  it one guy can hit the  ball 45 yards farhter than the  other guy?

Uhhh, 100% fair. That's the very nature of athletics.

[jxdama]

Amazing, they are still playing  lift  clean and cheat today. Hope Glover collapses tomorrow and Fleetwood wins.

[iacas]

30 minutes ago, jxdama said:

Amazing

Only to you. 😉 

They like it not because it's "easier" but because it's more fair.

[klineka]

3 hours ago, jxdama said:

Hope Glover collapses tomorrow and Fleetwood wins.

Shouldn't count as a win for Fleetwood then since he participated in the "cheating", right?

[jxdama]

19 hours ago, klineka said:

Shouldn't count as a win for Fleetwood then since he participated in the "cheating", right?

The  problem with that  is when the tour allows cheating then if  you  have  integrity and dont cheat you are at a  competitive disadvantage. This first  playoff  has been totally ruined  by allowing  players to tee up shots. It was disgusting watching glover pick his  ball up a few feet  from the green and tee  it  up. Why in the  hell are they still playing  lift  clean and cheat today? Why dont they just  play the cheat if there  is dew  on the  course  in the AM?

[jxdama]

I again hope  Glover falls apart and Fleetwood wins  but when courses are so easy collapses dont  happen very  much.