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# Issue With Finger Aiming on Short Putts

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2 hours ago, iacas said:

No entiendo! Sorry, language barrier 😉

Came back home and numbers are in... I messured 2 fingers from 3 and 9 feet from the ground, from standing up and kneeling.

The clear winner is kneeling. It respected perfectlly the 3 times less "break" from 9 feet to 3 feet.
Standing tall gave more break than needed on shorter putts by a big margin and at ball heigth is closer but not exactly rigth on the lower side. This is because, despite the eyes are at ball heigth, the extended arm changes the distances a little bit. The longer the arm, the taller you can be when usign your fingers and the shorter it get closer to the ground messure.

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6 minutes ago, p1n9183 said:

No entiendo! Sorry, language barrier 😉

Came back home and numbers are in... I messured 2 fingers from 3 and 9 feet from the ground, from standing up and kneeling.

The clear winner is kneeling. It respected perfectlly the 3 times less "break" from 9 feet to 3 feet.
Standing tall gave more break than needed on shorter putts by a big margin and at ball heigth is closer but not exactly rigth on the lower side. This is because, despite the eyes are at ball heigth, the extended arm changes the distances a little bit. The longer the arm, the taller you can be when usign your fingers and the shorter it get closer to the ground messure.

I don’t care if your make % from inside 10’ is 100%, if I see you reading the green on your knees I’m going to make fun of you 😜

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The last Aimpoint I received last year was as follows:

from 4' (used to be 6')

• 1% is inside the cup:
• 2% is 1" outside the cup:
• 3% is 3" out of the cup

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3 hours ago, p1n9183 said:

I don’t understand how standing is smaller than ball height or kneeling.

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17 hours ago, billchao said:

if I see you reading the green on your knees I’m going to make fun of you 😜

Most of people does it! (but none over the ball) Gave it time.. Hehe...

Funny story... almost a decade ago I started to aim 3..4 fingers away from penalty hazards on long shots. At 270 yards, each finger is around 10 yards sideways (I got to that number experimenting at my home course and using google maps). Been my dispersion around 70/80 yards this almost put the penalty hazard out of play for me. But most importantly I found a way to measure distance sideways on a golf course.
Of course till today everybody ask me what am I doing with my fingers on tee shots, even on approach shots.
Last year, playing a mid-Am I was paired up with a guy with a caddie, the caddie was his friend but also a decent golf PRO. After a couple of holes he asked me what I was doing and he pulled out his phone to show me an app or "system" that can be purchased were it tells you how much a finger is in yards from different distances. Of course if I could figure out how to measure distance sideways in a golf course many people can do the same and make it a trend an even sell it so... you never know!

16 hours ago, dennyjones said:

The last Aimpoint I received last year was as follows:

from 4' (used to be 6')

• 1% is inside the cup:
• 2% is 1" outside the cup:
• 3% is 3" out of the cup

Thanks for the info. The patch is getting worse... more accurate but less intuitive to follow. I rather look funny doing aimpoint on my knee and just use 1 simple formula than using this patch.

14 hours ago, iacas said:

I don’t understand how standing is smaller than ball height or kneeling.

I invite you to measure it yourself, don't trust my numbers. Even your arm length, height and finger width are going to change the numbers.

Over the 3 footer was clear that my fingers were farther away from the hole standing up than the others. (even with the arm stretch issue i will explain in the next paragraph)

Over the 9 footer I agree with you that it should be the longest of the 3 but in practice it wasn't.
My best guess is the arm position on each set up. Standing tall the arm is in front of the body aiming a little down, really easy to stretch. Kneeling, because of my spine been tilted forward (20/30°)  the arm is aiming to the front but more up been a little harder to stretch. Laying on the floor the arm is pointing over the shoulders making it even harder to stretch. The less the arm is stretched, the less distance the fingers are from the eyes resulting in bigger results. At this distance it started to matter, but not on shorter ones.

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FWIW I just measured a 2% slope on my practice green at 9 feet and it was 9-10" of break from the center of the cup.

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3 hours ago, p1n9183 said:

I invite you to measure it yourself, don't trust my numbers. Even your arm length, height and finger width are going to change the numbers.

You misread. Knee height should be between ball height and standing. Trigonometry.

If you are changing the length of your arm for each of them then the trial is pointless. No?

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On 5/23/2024 at 4:42 PM, iacas said:

If you are changing the length of your arm for each of them then the trial is pointless. No?

I'm not but each posture let the arm extend different amounts because of the angle in relationship to your torso. The idea is to use only one method to be consistent.
Besides that, you need to use different lengths of the arm in the same positions to account for different green speeds.

Personally I never used aimpoint, I use fingers just to measure lateral dispersion, even on putts. It was a good "discovery" to see that the closer to the hole you are, the less the finger system works.

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3 hours ago, p1n9183 said:

I'm not but each posture let the arm extend different amounts because of the angle in relationship to your torso. The idea is to use only one method to be consistent.

That's beside the point. It rendered the thing moot. Kneeling should be mid-way between standing and "ball height."

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