Jack vs. Tiger: Who's the Greatest Golfer?

[Fidelio]

6 minutes ago, iacas said:

 

Tiger's driving and approach shot game is a huge part of why I think Tiger at his best > Jack at his best. Even Jack agrees with that.

Where are you getting that? No.  Actually Jack doesn't agree. What you said is completely false. Jack was charitable and said there is little difference in iron play. Jack has said he was better driver on multiple occasions.   I can't believe you won't even concede driving. That much I think you would get most Tiger cultists to agree on. The stats are pretty clear on driving. Jack was a better driver (long and straight) in his FORTIES than prime Tiger.

 

Edited April 8, 2018 by Fidelio

[Dr. Manhattan]

Prime Tiger I think was a better wedge/short iron player than Jack. He hit the ball closer to the hole more often. Mid-iron and long-iron...BOTH incredible at this part of the game. Maybe slight edge on long irons to Jack and slight edge on mid-irons to Tiger. 

Jack was definitely a lot more consistent with the driver. Way more accurate. 

[Fidelio]

41 minutes ago, iacas said:

 

Against weaker/shallower fields.

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Nope. Even when you adjust for field strength. It should have been obvious that's meant. Jack still more consistent.

Here is an article that was well researched (though I disagree on the interpretation of many of his stats) looking at Augusta that concludes Tiger has the edge in the the prime years. But also points out 

http://www.golfwrx.com/126704/tiger-vs-jack-a-definitive-answer/

"Also, it shows that Jack would hypothetically finish in the top-10 and top-2 more consistently than Tiger, when compared to the 17-year averages. It does prove, however, that Tiger shot lower scores than Jack on a more frequent basis (because he shot lower than 277 five times compared to Jack’s three)."

Edited April 8, 2018 by Fidelio

[iacas]

48 minutes ago, Fidelio said:

Where are you getting that? No.  Actually Jack doesn't agree. What you said is completely false.

From interviewing him nearly every year for the past decade plus.

And thus, not false at all.

48 minutes ago, Fidelio said:

The stats are pretty clear on driving. Jack was a better driver (long and straight) in his FORTIES than prime Tiger.

You can't make statements like that, because Jack played different courses, with different length holes, different size greens, different fairway widths, hit the ball shorter (on average) than Tiger, and played against other very different people (which is relevant when you want to cite a ranking position).

48 minutes ago, Fidelio said:

That much I think you would get most Tiger cultists to agree on.

Oy. Right to the name-calling. I'm tapping out at that.

[Fidelio]

2 minutes ago, iacas said:

From interviewing him nearly every year for the past decade plus.

Oy. Right to the name-calling. I'm tapping out at that.

I certainly did not call you a name and there is nothing inappropriate  about the way I phrased that sentence. It certainly doesn't debase discourse in any way.

For some reason I can't find those quotes where he says Tiger was a better driver and iron player. I have no problem finding quotes with Jack saying otherwise.

[boogielicious]

52 minutes ago, Fidelio said:

I certainly did not call you a name and there is nothing inappropriate  about the way I phrased that sentence. It certainly doesn't debase discourse in any way.

For some reason I can't find those quotes where he says Tiger was a better driver and iron player. I have no problem finding quotes with Jack saying otherwise.

You’re calling posters who disagree with you, “cultists”. that is name calling.  Please refrain from this in your posts. 

[Fidelio]

17 minutes ago, boogielicious said:

You’re calling posters who disagree with you, “cultists”.

Nope. I didn't actually. Never happened.

Edited April 8, 2018 by Fidelio

[Dr. Manhattan]

4 minutes ago, Fidelio said:

Nope. I didn't actually.

 

Yes you did. 

[Fidelio]

3 minutes ago, Dr. Manhattan said:

 

Yes you did. 

I just re-read what I said. It is clear. And it is very benign.

[sheepdog]

Like the Tiger freaks around here never called any one names. Hypocrisy at it's zenith.

[Dr. Manhattan]

6 minutes ago, sheepdog said:

Like the Tiger freaks around here never called any one names. Hypocrisy at it's zenith.

 

Hypocrite? I've never insulted anyone here. 

[sheepdog]

I wasn't referring to anyone in particular, just the Tiger lovers in general. Sorry if I wasn't clear enough Dr.

 

See Fidelio this is what's in store for you by picking Jack over Tiger around here.

Now I get gigged for being a troll. -5 points whatever that means and who knows why? I'd bet my views on Jack over Tiger doesn't have a thing to do with it. I guess I have to give up my keys to the executive bathroom now. I bet the special senior's parking place is on hold too.

 

Fidelio just avoid this thread. Just a sayin'

[Dr. Manhattan]

Just now, sheepdog said:

I wasn't referring to anyone in particular, just the Tiger lovers in general. Sorry if I wasn't clear enough Dr.

 

See Fidelio this is what's in store for you by picking Jack over Tiger around here.

Now I get gigged for being a troll. -5 points whatever that means and who knows why? I'd bet my views on Jack over Tiger doesn't have a thing to do with it. I guess I have to give up my keys to the executive bathroom now. I bet the special senior's parking place is on hold too.

 

Fidelio just avoid this thread. Just a sayin'

 

I got no problem with anyone siding with Jack in this thing. His career is amazing. Even if the fields are not as deep as what Tiger faced, 37 finishes in the Top 2 in majors is just INSANE stuff. 

[boogielicious]

1 minute ago, sheepdog said:

I wasn't referring to anyone in particular, just the Tiger lovers in general. Sorry if I wasn't clear enough Dr.

 

See Fidelio this is what's in store for you by picking Jack over Tiger around here.

Now I get gigged for being a troll. -5 points whatever that means and who knows why? I'd bet my views on Jack over Tiger doesn't have a thing to do with it. I guess I have to give up my keys to the executive bathroom now. I bet the special senior's parking place is on hold too.

 

Fidelio just avoid this thread. Just a sayin'

Stop whining. You received a warning for trolling. Grow up.  

[turtleback]

4 hours ago, Fidelio said:

Where are you getting that? No.  Actually Jack doesn't agree. What you said is completely false. Jack was charitable and said there is little difference in iron play. Jack has said he was better driver on multiple occasions.   I can't believe you won't even concede driving. That much I think you would get most Tiger cultists to agree on. The stats are pretty clear on driving. Jack was a better driver (long and straight) in his FORTIES than prime Tiger.

 

I think the technical term for your denial is a lie.

[Fidelio]

32 minutes ago, turtleback said:

I think the technical term for your denial is a lie.

"You’re calling posters who disagree with you, “cultists”"

My post is not calling people who disagree with me cultists and it is not referring to any specific person.

Apology accepted for calling me a liar. Instead of calling you dishonest, I'll just make the assumption you didn't spend the 30 seconds to look through the posts.

Edited April 8, 2018 by Fidelio

[turtleback]

1 hour ago, Fidelio said:

"You’re calling posters who disagree with you, “cultists”"

My post is not calling people who disagree with me cultists and it is not referring to any specific person.

Apology accepted for calling me a liar. Instead of calling you dishonest, I'll just make the assumption you didn't spend the 30 seconds to look through the posts.

We aren't stupid around here.  We don't care what your definition of is is, and we are pretty good at recognizing sophistry.

We've had lots of drive-bys come through with your attitude and it rarely ends well.  I hope you'll be different.  But 10 posts into your time here and it isn't going well.  And, frankly, you seem determined to make it not go well.

[iacas]