The Stack and Tilt Golf Swing

[JetFan1983]

Appreciate it, guys Back pain stinks. I always find it funny when people say this pattern is bad on your back, when in fact, it's just the opposite.

[Mr. Desmond]

Question: For fairway woods, should one setup similarly to the driver as shown in the golf evolution video on the stackandtitltgolfswing.com website in terms of presetting an axis tilt at address?

In other words, hips pushed forward a bit and hands forward resulting in a pre-set axis tilt to the right with the ball position about a ball inside the left heel since this is a longer club.

Thank you.

[Mr. Desmond]

  Mr. Desmond said:

Originally Posted by Mr. Desmond

Question: For fairway woods, should one setup similarly to the driver as shown in the golf evolution video on the stackandtitltgolfswing.com website in terms of presetting an axis tilt at address?

In other words, hips pushed forward a bit and hands forward resulting in a pre-set axis tilt to the right with the ball position about a ball inside the left heel since this is a longer club.

Thank you.

Ahh, found the answer on p. 91 of the book - the Stack and Tilt Swing.

Fairways need positive loft... move the ball forward and widen the stance.

Just getting into the details of the downswing after one month of intense backswing study, and there it is -- the answer -less experienced players should push their hips further forward at address.

Better players will slide more to create the necessary tilt.

[outlaw1984]

Hey guys,

im hope to get out to course today and play a round, maybe get a few clips of me hitting the ball, trying the stack and tilt......

i wanted to tell you all im taking the dvds and getting snapshots of certain things Andy and Mike say and do, and will probably make a facebook page to archive them.......

i will probably start on the page today....

[mvmac]

  Mr. Desmond said:

Originally Posted by Mr. Desmond

Ahh, found the answer on p. 91 of the book - the Stack and Tilt Swing.

Fairways need positive loft... move the ball forward and widen the stance.

Just getting into the details of the downswing after one month of intense backswing study, and there it is -- the answer -less experienced players should push their hips further forward at address.

Better players will slide more to create the necessary tilt.

More Troy Hands also forward, make sure not to get the ball too far forward.  Off the left heel.

[outlaw1984]

Hey guys

i went and played yesterday and also played this weekend....i done real good on friday using s&t; but on saturday i think i was trying to over do it......

anyhow yesterday when i was playing i noticed all my hit were goin to the right.....but my divot is pointing left which mean im either hit OTT....or what can it be.....also im hitting alot of fat shots.....but my major concern is my divot going to the left.....can someone tell me the cure to take care of this?

[nevets88]

I was talking with an instructor and I think he's a good teacher - he put some time in the mini tours and worked with some well known MORAD teachers, I forget the names and I've watched him teach.

Anyways, he said he attended an S&T; clinic and had alot of good things about it and said that P&B; really knew their stuff.

One thing he noted though was that the pattern requires an aggressive hip action and not everyone has that.

I personally don't find this to be the case, while I can work on my hip action I don't think I have especially fast hips and it's not impeding me.

Any thoughts? Is what he said a salient point?

[bwdial]

  nevets88 said:

Originally Posted by nevets88

I was talking with an instructor and I think he's a good teacher - he put some time in the mini tours and worked with some well known MORAD teachers, I forget the names and I've watched him teach.

Anyways, he said he attended an S&T; clinic and had alot of good things about it and said that P&B; really knew their stuff.

One thing he noted though was that the pattern requires an aggressive hip action and not everyone has that.

I personally don't find this to be the case, while I can work on my hip action I don't think I have especially fast hips and it's not impeding me.

Any thoughts? Is what he said a salient point?

If you look at my handicap index, you'll see that I clearly am no expert, but I don't find that the hip action is aggressive.  What I do find is that S&T; allows (encourages even) me to get my hips involved.  My old swing had very little hip action, and was much more of a sway.  Now, by straightening my right leg, I feel like my hips are sort of "pre-set" and ready to "fall through" the proper motion.

[Stretch]

Quick question as -- I guess -- a fully engaged student of the system. Is there a rough prescription for foot flare at setup? Elk (I know he's not orthodox) says 45/20. Grant and Troy look like a bit less, maybe 40/20 and 35/15 respectively. My playing partners actually call me "duck foot", but I could give a bean because I hit it way better than them.

[uttexas]

  nevets88 said:

One thing he noted though was that the pattern requires an aggressive hip action and not everyone has that.  I personally don't find this to be the case, while I can work on my hip action I don't think I have especially fast hips and it's not impeding me. Any thoughts? Is what he said a salient point?

One of the many nice things about "s&t;" is that it is adaptable and allows for variety. Take a look at Matteson's hip action, Charlie Wi's, and Waite's. They are all different, adapting to each player's particular build/strengths/rom while following the same principles of centered turn on inclined plane with hips forward at impact. You don't need fast hips for "s&t;". [VIDEO]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVp9Fy1j-Wc[/VIDEO] [VIDEO]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agERWDcsUl0&feature;=related[/VIDEO] [VIDEO]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDtTB9-KqKg[/VIDEO]

[mvmac]

  outlaw1984 said:

Originally Posted by outlaw1984

Hey guys

i went and played yesterday and also played this weekend....i done real good on friday using s&t; but on saturday i think i was trying to over do it......

anyhow yesterday when i was playing i noticed all my hit were goin to the right.....but my divot is pointing left which mean im either hit OTT....or what can it be.....also im hitting alot of fat shots.....but my major concern is my divot going to the left.....can someone tell me the cure to take care of this?

Try this, keep the hips forward, squeeze your glutes and RAISE the handel

  Stretch said:

Originally Posted by Stretch

Quick question as -- I guess -- a fully engaged student of the system. Is there a rough prescription for foot flare at setup? Elk (I know he's not orthodox) says 45/20. Grant and Troy look like a bit less, maybe 40/20 and 35/15 respectively. My playing partners actually call me "duck foot", but I could give a bean because I hit it way better than them.

I like 30* for the lead foot and 20* for the trail.  Book says 10-20*.  Most foot flare I've seen is Grant, super Duck feet!

[mvmac]

Congrats to fellow Golf Evolution Instructor James Hirshfield for becoming an authorized S&T; Instructor ! Great to finally see it be "official" since James is one of the best.  Very few have as much experience with the system as he does, almost 8 years of being around MORAD/ST& information.  Funny thing, James was giving me advice when he was still in college, sent me a video from his dorm room!

About James:

James studied extensively under two coaches who learned directly from David Leadbetter and Mac O’Grady. Following his time as a student, James decided that he wanted to pursue a path helping other golfers better understand THEIR own games. He continued his study and research of the Mac O’Grady/MORAD philosophies on golf instruction and over the past four years has had the opportunity to work and learn directly from Mike Bennett and Andy Plummer. In his time with Mike and Andy (teaching many schools helping players of every level), he quickly realized that the Stack and Tilt pattern is the most efficient way possible to strike a golf ball.  James believes in finding THE most efficient swing for each student, that the learning process never stops, and that the laws of geometry and physics govern everything that happens during the golf swing.

So if you're in England stop by and improve your game with James,

Radlett Golf Centre Hertfordshire, United Kingdom Phone - 44 7941 267 672

[MiniBlueDragon]

Congrats James! What with James Ridyard and Sam Quirke you've got the S&T; bases covered.

[Stretch]

Congrats James! Don't ever stop beating fools up on Twitter, please.

[james_hirshfield]

Thanks guys, that really means a lot!

Mike, thats for the really kind words. Been extremely fortunate to spend so much of my golfing life spent around those who are very knowledgable.

I'll keep doing my best to help everyone, but remember one thing when reading information from a forum, most, and I mean that, may not be applicable to each person.

Feel free to ask any questions, you are all in great hands with Erik and Mike here.

If any one is in England and looking for the best info, give me a call 07941 267 672 or email james@thegolfevolution.com to set up a lesson!

James!

[JetFan1983]

Congratulations, James!

[nevets88]

Congratulations. Took a lesson from James in the fall and he is very good, made alot of progress.

8 years. That's like 2 or 3 Bachelor degrees or 1 Bachelor and 2 Masters.

[james_hirshfield]

Some one recently asked the question about right foot flare.

This is hopefully illustrative of how it can effect certain pieces.

The right foot was adjusted from 5* to 25* and an understanding of what the hips and right knee should do.