The Stack and Tilt Golf Swing

[BallStriker]

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[keeps21]

I'm looking to switch to S&T, as it makes sense to me and my main miss with a 'traditional' swing is to hit fat. I just have a (hopefully) quick question.

With the stock S&T shot being a push draw, will my driver cause me problems? It's a Cleveland HiBore XLS Monster Draw 12°. It's got a closed face to promote draw (though the new ball flight rules actually mean it promotes a pull) and obviously, if I'm drawing the ball, I don't want to be pulling it too.

Also, I've read that S&T creates a high push draw... will the 12° loft cause me to hit it too high?

Thanks.

[Mr. Desmond]

Originally Posted by keeps21

I'm looking to switch to S&T, as it makes sense to me and my main miss with a 'traditional' swing is to hit fat. I just have a (hopefully) quick question.

With the stock S&T shot being a push draw, will my driver cause me problems? It's a Cleveland HiBore XLS Monster Draw 12°. It's got a closed face to promote draw (though the new ball flight rules actually mean it promotes a pull) and obviously, if I'm drawing the ball, I don't want to be pulling it too.

Also, I've read that S&T creates a high push draw... will the 12° loft cause me to hit it too high?

Thanks.

I don't know about your closed face - but some people requires assistance getting the club to square up with a 460cc club. So it depends on whether you are squaring up that closed face.

As to the 12 degrees, it depends on your shaft - I use an Adams 9088UL 12.5 with a Fuji Blur 55 and it is mid kick - I use S&T and ball flight does not get too high. But if you have a low kick shaft, when you get to an S&T swing, and it will take time, then you may not need the low kick shaft.

You'll need to make certain adjustments with the driver to get it high - see two golf evolution videos available on you tube - one deals with driver adjustments with the S&T swing, the other with getting flight up - the throw the boulder video. They are helpful and required viewing.

[keeps21]

Originally Posted by Mr. Desmond

I don't know about your closed face - but some people requires assistance getting the club to square up with a 460cc club. So it depends on whether you are squaring up that closed face.

As to the 12 degrees, it depends on your shaft - I use an Adams 9088UL 12.5 with a Fuji Blur 55 and it is mid kick - I use S&T and ball flight does not get too high. But if you have a low kick shaft, when you get to an S&T swing, and it will take time, then you may not need the low kick shaft.

You'll need to make certain adjustments with the driver to get it high - see two golf evolution videos available on you tube - one deals with driver adjustments with the S&T swing, the other with getting flight up - the throw the boulder video. They are helpful and required viewing.

Thanks for the reply.

The shaft in the driver is an Aldila NV 65-S (Low-Mid) launch angle.

[Mr. Desmond]

Originally Posted by keeps21

Thanks for the reply.

The shaft in the driver is an Aldila NV 65-S (Low-Mid) launch angle.

Ought to work - if no instructor nearby, get the S&T book, look at videos here and on stackandtitltgolfswing.com and golf evolution.

[keeps21]

Originally Posted by Mr. Desmond

Ought to work - if no instructor nearby, get the S&T book, look at videos here and on stackandtitltgolfswing.com and golf evolution.

Great!

Ordered the book earlier today so will hopefully have that to work from later this week.

I've only managed to read the first 30 pages of this thread (since last night) so still have a lot more reading on here to do too!

[Mr. Desmond]

Originally Posted by keeps21

Great!

Ordered the book earlier today so will hopefully have that to work from later this week.

I've only managed to read the first 30 pages of this thread (since last night) so still have a lot more reading on here to do too!

I did not read the thread - eric and mike have some good video, but the book is a great place to start - I've read it several times, and go back to certain pages for more detail. Each time you pick it up, you learn more. Hit those golf evolution videos. They help --- a lot.

[keeps21]

Well I've finally managed to read through the whole of this thread - was definitely worth the time taken.

Hopefully my S&T; book will be here in the next couple of days.

I've added a couple of practice backswings onto my swing thread for some critique - http://thesandtrap.com/t/46032/my-swing-keeps21

Would be great if someone who knows what they're talking about could take a look for me.

Thanks

[nevets88]

Originally Posted by keeps21

Well I've finally managed to read through the whole of this thread - was definitely worth the time taken.

Hopefully my S&T book will be here in the next couple of days.

I've added a couple of practice backswings onto my swing thread for some critique - http://thesandtrap.com/t/46032/my-swing-keeps21

Would be great if someone who knows what they're talking about could take a look for me.

Thanks

I was in your shoes - I tried to teach myself reading the book and watching the videos - I finally gave in and took a lesson and my self teaching effort was half-baked. I've had about half a dozen lessons over 2 years and seen much improvement despite lots of stuff of life getting in the way of continuous practice - my advice is to take lessons. There are a couple of official SnT instructors in your neck of the woods I think. It's worth it.

[miami8miami]

I have a question regarding the hip slide.

Once the hips begin sliding, the right foot banks as a result of the hips moving to the left.

So for a player who has enough lateral hip motion but too much rotational motion (the right heel lifting off the ground too early) to keep the right heel on the ground longer and bank, would it feel like the right leg stays straight thru impact and into the follow through?

[iacas]

I have a question regarding the hip slide. Once the hips begin sliding, the right foot banks as a result of the hips moving to the left. So for a player who has enough lateral hip motion but too much rotational motion (the right heel lifting off the ground too early) to keep the right heel on the ground longer and bank, would it feel like the right leg stays straight thru impact and into the follow through?

Yes, often that works for them - the feeling that their right knee never bends again from A4.

[blue72ss]

I was suprised to see Sergio is considered a "stack and tilt" swinger.

My swing is instantly compared to Sergio, (too much hands and lag), so I always thought all those moving parts were the opposite of the S & T theory.

I supposse it is more based on his body movement?

[iacas]

I was suprised to see Sergio is considered a "stack and tilt" swinger.

He isn't. He simply does "most" of the pieces. But almost every PGA Tour pro does "most" of the pieces.

[miami8miami]

Would a good drill be to set up with the right leg straight and hit balls to the finish?

[bunkerputt]

Originally Posted by miami8miami

Would a good drill be to set up with the right leg straight and hit balls to the finish?

If you mean the hips forward drill, sure.  If you mean setup like normal, but get your legs to A4 and swing, seems too rigid to me, but maybe in slow-mo.  You need some dynamicism (English abuse alert) in drills for them to work effectively, IMO.

[iacas]

Would a good drill be to set up with the right leg straight and hit balls to the finish?

Worked for Steve Elkington.

[sean_miller]

Originally Posted by iacas

Quote:

Originally Posted by miami8miami

Would a good drill be to set up with the right leg straight and hit balls to the finish?

Worked for Steve Elkington.

He was doing that in the 1990s too?

[iacas]

He was doing that in the 1990s too?

I'm just pointing out that for 63 holes at the 2005 PGA he did it on actual swings in a major (with even more exaggerated practice swings).