Whats the correct way to hit a draw?

[iacas]

Not for me :)

Right. The laws of physics don't apply to anyone with a username containing "BokVol" in it?

Rubbish.

Kenny Perry hits a lot of pull draws and it works for him, so to each their own.

Kenny plays a push draw. He was quite vocal in discussing how his ball was starting too far to the left last year at The Memorial.

If this supposedly does not work then why does tiger and all the pros on tour teach how to hit a draw like that? If you get a major under your belt than maybe we will listen to the madness as i call it.

Dummy.

[Phil McGleno]

If this supposedly does not work then why does tiger and all the pros on tour teach how to hit a draw like that? If you get a major under your belt than maybe we will listen to the madness as i call it.

Ha. I've worked with major champions. They know more than Nick Faldo about the ball flight laws. And you're wrong about Tiger (recently, unfortunately) and "all the tour pros." At least 40% know that the clubface determines the starting line of the ball. That it's not 100% is sad, but 40% is well up from 2% of a decade ago.

Son, you're wrong. And anyone who thinks the path determines where the ball starts is also wrong.

[Shanks A Million]

Right. The laws of physics don't apply to anyone with a username containing "BokVol" in it?

Dummy.

Ha. I've worked with major champions. They know more than Nick Faldo about the ball flight laws. And you're wrong about Tiger (recently, unfortunately) and "all the tour pros." At least 40% know that the clubface determines the starting line of the ball. That it's not 100% is sad, but 40% is well up from 2% of a decade ago.

Shit, even Breed is on board with the new laws now. Even the guys who teach a draw that way don't actually do it that way. Iacas has provided videos of pros first

saying they do it that way, and then actually doing it the proper way, right there in living color, clear as day in super slow motion. It's hard to refute science, unless you're a evangelical Christian of course.

[Paz]

What's the correct way to hit a draw?

One thing is not up for debate and never has been: a ball curves based on the clubface angle at impact relative to the swing path. A closed clubface relative to the swing path always draws/hooks and an open clubface relative to the swing path always fades/slices:

That's the opposite of what you said. You got me all confused!

[Zeph]

One thing is not up for debate and never has been: a ball curves based on the clubface angle at impact relative to the swing path. A closed clubface relative to the swing path always draws/hooks and an open clubface relative to the swing path always fades/slices:

He never said the club face should be open relative to your swing path. The club face is open relative to the

target , but closed relative to the swing path.

[Paz]

He never said the club face should be open relative to your swing path. The club face is open relative to the

So essentially we are aiming far enough right of the target to have the club face still be closed to the path to create the draw spin, but still open to the target which is what causes the ball to start out right and draw back left?

[Zeph]

That is correct.

[Stretch]

Right. The laws of physics don't apply to anyone with a username containing "BokVol" in .

He's a South African, and the laws of physics work backwards in the Southern Hemisphere, which is why the water goes down the plughole the other way round. Duh.

[deronsizemore]

Kenny plays a push draw. He was quite vocal in discussing how his ball was starting too far to the left last year at The Memorial.

I've heard Kenny mention his pull draw on few occassions. Maybe these times were when he hurt his right knee a few years ago and was going through some swing changes.

[Gerald]

That is correct.

OKAY Theory ..... I understand...... to the range ....

Uhhhh ...... if I hit 3 grad open and my swing goes inside out 6 grad I will hit a push draw ..... Okay new rules I can imagine and understand. (and it works !) But if I hit it 0 grad open and my swing goes inside out 6 grad ....... theory is that I will hit a straight shot, drawing left at the end (new rules ---- agree ????), but still it flies a little to the right first....... (I am not totally sure I got the grad exact of course)..... But how can you explain if I close the face let's say 6 grad, while using the same 6 grad inside out swing, my ball still starts off towards the right. It puzzles me ...... allthough I will certainly do some testing with my driver this afternoon, with a slightly open face, trying to get a more predictable (push) draw ....

[Zeph]

But if I hit it 0 grad open and my swing goes inside out 6 grad ....... theory is that I will hit a straight shot, drawing left at the end (new rules ---- agree ????), but still it flies a little to the right first....... (I am not totally sure I got the grad exact of course).....

The ball will start slightly to the right of the target, and curve over to the left side, but not at the target, farther to the left of it.

But how can you explain if I close the face let's say 6 grad, while using the same 6 grad inside out swing, my ball still starts off towards the right.

What you set up and plan to, and what happens are usually two different things. If the ball starts towards the right, your club face is not 6º closed, but more like 0-5º, depending on how the ball curves.

The downswing happens so fast, your body can be doing a whole lot of compensations and moves you don't know about. If you close the club face, the body will try opening it to keep it square, if that is how you normally hit it. If you did manage to hit the ball with a swing path 6º in-to-out and 6º closed club face, the ball will start around 5º to the left of the target and hook strongly through the air.

[deronsizemore]

If this supposedly does not work then why does tiger and all the pros on tour teach how to hit a draw like that? If you get a major under your belt than maybe we will listen to the madness as i call it.

How do you know I don't have a major under my belt?

[Williamevanl]

I love how everytime I tell someone this information they instantly think I'm crazy. A Draw hit with a clubface open to the target line?, "insanity!"

I usually say though, "Have you ever had the ball start way right and you think its heading out of bounds only to have it massively curve back into the fairway?" The answer to this is almost always no. The next obvious question is: "Well can you line up straight and make the ball start way right and curve it back to center?"

Generally people can't and I think this illustrates that they don't really understand a draw at all. Some will cheat the whole thing by aligning right and get an acceptable turning of the ball towards the target but they aren't really hitting a desirable draw that way. Its more of a pull/straight draw and not a push draw and for that you don't need an open club face to the target line.

[socaltaoist]

You know after trying all the different methods I found that now when I want to shape the ball I just think about it while I am lining up. I guess it probably has to do with the wrist action, but I line up normally and focus on hitting a draw/fade and it works. Obviously I line up targeted to the left or right depending on the shape of the shot but other than that I just focus on how I want it to go and let my body do the rest. Next time you are at the range pull out your 7 iron and pick your straight target. While still aimed at that target practice on just fading and drawing the ball through feel. I have found this sort of feel exercise translates well on the course where you often have to rely on your instincts to score well. In more precise terms I chose to delay or speed up my wrist action on and through the down swing and release to achieve a draw or fade.

[Gerald]

It puzzles me ...... allthough I will certainly do some testing with my driver this afternoon, with a slightly open face, trying to get a more predictable (push) draw ....

So I went to the range yesterday trying to bend my new rules (pull) draw into a new rules push draw. I naturally swing a little inside-out and have been working lately on inside-square-inside, so I had to adjust a little to get to inside-out again. I openened the face of my driver a few degrees (only just) and swung inside out ...... new rules a new view for me, balls went out to the right and curved back to neutral most of the time. To me it seemed that the carry was a bit less, but the roll was longer .... so in average I gained about 10-15 yds ..... not bad !

I normally win or come second in the longest drive at our weekly wednessday-evening competition, but yesterday I was at least 25 yds longer than the runner-up and I also managed to get 0.9 strokes of my HC. Of course ! I also managed to send one offffff straight into the woods on the right ....... that's golf ! This afternoon I will try to work a few hours in finetuning the new rules draw.