Jump to content
Note: This thread is 5020 days old. We appreciate that you found this thread instead of starting a new one, but if you plan to post here please make sure it's still relevant. If not, please start a new topic. Thank you!

Recommended Posts

Watching some of the PGA championship yesterday and Mickelson hits a 6 iron 220. The south african guy hit a 5 iron on the same par 3.

I feel like I'm doing fine if my 6 iron gets around 180 and if I catch it just right maybe 190. How on earth do I pick up an extra 30 yards?

In my C130 Bag

R9 460
Speed LD 3 & 5W
MP52 3-PW 52 & 56 Spin Milled White Hot 2 ball TP Black


Limiting excess movements in the swing
Strong core muscles.. they did an interview with some of the younger golfers and they said they spend more time in the gym some days than on the course.
there 5 irons have been turned into 4 or 3 irons. So what you may be playing is a 7 iron, but to the pro's its a 6 or 5 iron in loft.

Matt Dougherty, P.E.
 fasdfa dfdsaf 

What's in My Bag
Driver; :pxg: 0311 Gen 5,  3-Wood: 
:titleist: 917h3 ,  Hybrid:  :titleist: 915 2-Hybrid,  Irons: Sub 70 TAIII Fordged
Wedges: :edel: (52, 56, 60),  Putter: :edel:,  Ball: :snell: MTB,  Shoe: :true_linkswear:,  Rangfinder: :leupold:
Bag: :ping:

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

They swing the club fast because they are strong and because they have efficient swings.
All of their clubs are optimized for them.
They hit the sweet spot every single time.

In my bag:

Driver: Titleist TSi3 | 15º 3-Wood: Ping G410 | 17º 2-Hybrid: Ping G410 | 19º 3-Iron: TaylorMade GAPR Lo |4-PW Irons: Nike VR Pro Combo | 54º SW, 60º LW: Titleist Vokey SM8 | Putter: Odyssey Toulon Las Vegas H7

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

You don't necessarily have to be "strong" to hit the ball far. Yes, strength is a part but in Golf, power and swing speed is generated by sound swing mechanics.

Deryck Griffith

Titleist 910 D3: 9.5deg GD Tour AD DI7x | Nike Dymo 3W: 15deg, UST S-flex | Mizuno MP CLK Hybrid: 20deg, Project X Tour Issue 6.5, HC1 Shaft | Mizuno MP-57 4-PW, DG X100 Shaft, 1deg upright | Cleveland CG15 Wedges: 52, 56, 60deg | Scotty Cameron California Del Mar | TaylorMade Penta, TP Black LDP, Nike 20XI-X


  • Moderator
Along these lines, what about Bubba on the 600 yard hole.....had a 56* for his second!

I think it's as much hitting the sweet spot with efficient swings that generate high clubhead speeds and irons that are slightly different lofts than what we are used to as it is hitting the weights. Sure having a strong core and strong legs are beneficial, but the swing mechanics do the biggest part IMO.

Bryan A
"Your desire to change must be greater than your desire to stay the same"

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

Well you get that, but also he swings past 90 degrees with his shoulders, he is up on his toes when he hits the ball, he is extremely flexible, he unleashed the power of hell ;b, he hits the sweet spot, he's playing whistling straights which probably has a nice 10-15 mph tailwind...

Yes he did demolish that ball, but his normal average isn't close to what you described he did on that one hole.

Matt Dougherty, P.E.
 fasdfa dfdsaf 

What's in My Bag
Driver; :pxg: 0311 Gen 5,  3-Wood: 
:titleist: 917h3 ,  Hybrid:  :titleist: 915 2-Hybrid,  Irons: Sub 70 TAIII Fordged
Wedges: :edel: (52, 56, 60),  Putter: :edel:,  Ball: :snell: MTB,  Shoe: :true_linkswear:,  Rangfinder: :leupold:
Bag: :ping:

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

All the other responses have been spot on. They swing hard, and they make perfect contact.
But don't forget - the pros deloft the heck out of their clubs also. They take "descending blow" to a new level!

HiBore 10.5 driver
GT-500 3- and 5-woods
Bazooka JMax 4 Iron Wood
Big Bertha 2008 irons (4 and 5 i-brids, 6i-9i,PW)
Tom Watson 56 SW Two-Ball putter


They swing the club fast because they are strong and because they have efficient swings.

That all gets my vote. Physical fitness, equipment that fits, and skill.

Mizuno MP600 driver, Cleveland '09 Launcher 3-wood, Callaway FTiz 18 degree hybrid, Cleveland TA1 3-9, Scratch SS8620 47, 53, 58, Cleveland Classic 2 mid-mallet, Bridgestone B330S, Sun Mountain four5.


In theory, it's a fairly easy equation.

Clubhead speed
Dynamic loft
Smash factor

Clubhead speed and dynamic loft is a result of technique, forward leaning shaft at impact and club loft.
Smash factor is a result of ball striking, hitting the sweetspot.

Being strong can help, but you may well hit it far without being bulky. Tiger has bulked up the last 13 years, but he was hitting it 300 in 2000 too. Getting the swing sequence right is important to achieve high clubhead speed.

Ogio Grom | Callaway X Hot Pro | Callaway X-Utility 3i | Mizuno MX-700 23º | Titleist Vokey SM 52.08, 58.12 | Mizuno MX-700 15º | Titleist 910 D2 9,5º | Scotty Cameron Newport 2 | Titleist Pro V1x and Taylormade Penta | Leupold GX-1

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

  • Moderator
Since we are talking about Phil, has anyone noticed that it seems like Phil's weight hangs back on his back foot for a long time? It almost seems like he still has a lot of weight back there after he has hit the ball. Maybe my eyes were fooling me yesterday, but it sure looked weird.

Bryan A
"Your desire to change must be greater than your desire to stay the same"

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

  • Administrator
Since we are talking about Phil, has anyone noticed that it seems like Phil's weight hangs back on his back foot for a long time? It almost seems like he still has a lot of weight back there after he has hit the ball. Maybe my eyes were fooling me yesterday, but it sure looked weird.

Especially with the driver. But that's why his driver has only 6 or 7 degrees - and that's the only way Phil knows how to hit the ball near level, AND that's why Phil plays a fade (or a slice) with the driver. It's not a swing you'd copy - I've never seen a teacher use Phil Mickelson as a swing to model. But he does it and it works for him... (which doesn't necessarily mean something else couldn't work better).

Sorry, these posts are off topic, so I hope that side discussion ends there.

Erik J. Barzeski —  I knock a ball. It goes in a gopher hole. 🏌🏼‍♂️
Director of Instruction Golf Evolution • Owner, The Sand Trap .com • AuthorLowest Score Wins
Golf Digest "Best Young Teachers in America" 2016-17 & "Best in State" 2017-20 • WNY Section PGA Teacher of the Year 2019 :edel: :true_linkswear:

Check Out: New Topics | TST Blog | Golf Terms | Instructional Content | Analyzr | LSW | Instructional Droplets

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

In theory, it's a fairly easy equation.

Thats pretty much it.

When we as amateur take a 6i - we actually hit a 6i - when they do it, they have like a 4i in there hands (if they want to), since the bottom of their swing is so much further in front than ours. And when you combine this with "golf fitness" and sweetspot, everybody can do it, really. Problem is, those 3 terms dont sound like much, but to get there is A LOT of work.

Burner 9°
FW Burner 15°
Burner Rescue 19°
MP67 4-PW
CG10 50° CG12 DSG 54° & 60°


All the other responses have been spot on. They swing hard, and they make perfect contact.

They have the ability to hit a great, long delofted shot. But I don't think that's exactly the norm either. I've heard it so many times when someone like a Tiger or Ernie hits one. . ."That balls in the clouds", etc, etc. And we're talking 4 irons, not 8's and wedges.


  • Moderator
Especially with the driver. But that's why his driver has only 6 or 7 degrees - and that's the only way Phil knows how to hit the ball near level, AND that's why Phil plays a fade (or a slice) with the driver. It's not a swing you'd copy - I've never seen a teacher use Phil Mickelson as a swing to model. But he does it and it works for him... (which doesn't necessarily mean something else couldn't work better).

I was actually leading this into the original question of how they hit it so far. The OP mentioned Phil and my next post was going to be to ask how he did that with weight on the back foot. It wasn't really a side discussion, but I will end it there

Bryan A
"Your desire to change must be greater than your desire to stay the same"

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

I have never seen a pga pro hit " 6 iron 220 yards" I am very curious about the shape of the shot. Cant really see that on TV.

Is their 6 iron going 220 at a high angle of attack or low? I hit one last week from the rough that distance, but it didnt get over 40 feet high.

IMO
in order of importance...
Their contact with the sweet spot is near perfect.
Their mechanics are finely tuned and they carry the best equipment which also matches their swing.
They are generally either avg to larger men or are flexible to the %99 of the male population.

It really doesn't matter how far they hit the irons. I mean some of the taller players like Phil probably have shaft that are longer than standard and if you get like the wind behind you that is at least a club plus the ball usually rolls a bit.Now going by 15 yard gap for most advance players,it probably be more impressive if he hits a 265 yard 3 iron or carry the ball 325 yards, but I am not sure how many players could actually carry it 325 with a regular length shaft.

And honestly I am not impressed by their power, if I was their size, I probably hit it as long if not longer than they do. I mean you just have to understand lag and whip and creating coil and delaying the realease and connection, and trust me if I don't know how to do anything else in golf, I understand how that works and it is actually pretty simple concepts but they are just really hard to repeat.

It really doesn't matter how far they hit the irons. I mean some of the taller players like Phil probably have shaft that are longer than standard and if you get like the wind behind you that is at least a club plus the ball usually rolls a bit.Now going by 15 yard gap for most advance players,it probably be more impressive if he hits a 265 yard 3 iron or carry the ball 325 yards, but I am not sure how many players could actually carry it 325 with a regular length shaft.

They're not all as tall as Phil. So how tiny are you?

I mean, when you're looking for golf trousers do they need to have elastic on the waistband?

Mizuno MP600 driver, Cleveland '09 Launcher 3-wood, Callaway FTiz 18 degree hybrid, Cleveland TA1 3-9, Scratch SS8620 47, 53, 58, Cleveland Classic 2 mid-mallet, Bridgestone B330S, Sun Mountain four5.


Note: This thread is 5020 days old. We appreciate that you found this thread instead of starting a new one, but if you plan to post here please make sure it's still relevant. If not, please start a new topic. Thank you!

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now


  • Want to join this community?

    We'd love to have you!

    Sign Up
  • TST Partners

    TourStriker PlaneMate
    Golfer's Journal
    ShotScope
    The Stack System
    FitForGolf
    FlightScope Mevo
    Direct: Mevo, Mevo+, and Pro Package.

    Coupon Codes (save 10-20%): "IACAS" for Mevo/Stack/FitForGolf, "IACASPLUS" for Mevo+/Pro Package, and "THESANDTRAP" for ShotScope. 15% off TourStriker (no code).
  • Posts

    • Day 307 - Mirror swings, focusing on rotation. That seems to take pressure off my lead hip. 
    • With a lot of help from @iacas, I was able to take a great trip down to Pinehurst this past week. Took advantage of having a day off because of Veteran's Day and spent 4 days in the Pinehurst area. @iacas, @Hardspoon, @GolfLug, and @NCGolfer joined me for at least 1 round on the trip. I got in 2 courses in Pinehurst proper - Southern Pines and Pine Needles - and then the Duke golf course in Durham and Tobacco Road. All of the courses were new to me, and I really liked all of them. I am going to add more to this later when I have some time, but I wanted to post a quick recap/thoughts for each course. Duke Golf Club I really enjoyed this course. It's a big ballpark that goes up and down a couple of hills. The front 9 starts off going straight downhill, with 1 and 2 being similar dogleg left, downhill par 4s. You make your way to the bottom of the hill with a par 3 that plays over a lake, and then you creep up slowly. The best hole on the front is the 7, the first par 5. It's a dogleg right goes downhill to a small green protected by a creek and bunkers. If you can get your ball to the fairway, you should have a chance at going for the green in 2. That shot was probably the most memorable one I had on this course. You then crest the hill again with the tee shot on 9, which is a par 5 that goes down the hill and then the green is back on top of the hill by the clubhouse.  The back only goes up and down the hill once, so it's slightly more tame than the front. I really liked 11, which is another par 5. The tee shot plays down the hill, and if you hit a good one, you could have a mid iron into your hand with your second shot. The green is huge, but protected by a creek that runs in front of it. The closing stretch of holes are pretty good. 16 is a short par 4 playing straight up hill. Distance control with a wedge is really important. 17 is slightly uphill, but the trick is navigating the uneven lies in the fairway. 18 is fairly straightforward but a stout par 4 to end the round. The only negative is that there were a lot of holes with forced carries to the green. 4, 7, 11, 12, and 13 all had ponds or creeks fronting the green. Most of those required hefty carries.  Bottom line, I liked the course and the setting. I would be happy to play here regularly. Pine Needles I loved this course. The setting reminded me a lot of #2, and it feels like a mini #2 with a lot of small, turtleback-type greens. The opening 5 holes were outstanding. 1 was a really cool par 5 that was no gimme. The green was pretty wild. 2 was a long, downhill par 4. 3 was one of my favorite par 3s that we played - over a lake with bunkers framing the green. 4 was a short uphill par 4 that I really liked. 5 was an excellent but tough par 3, sitting on a shelf well above the tee. It's a great opening stretch. And again, the feel and look of the place is unique to the Pinehurst area. It feels like something you wouldn't find anywhere else. Other highlights - the green site on 9 was really cool. There is a big run off area to the right of the green that you want to avoid. It reminded me a bit of the second hole at Sand Valley - you don't want to be right of that green either. 12 was a great hole. You can't see the green from the tee, as the tee shot plays over a hill. When you see the green, it looks tiny, with a huge runoff and bunkers to the left of the green. The fairway is pretty wide, so the trick is accuracy with your approach shot. 18 was an extremely cool finishing hole. You can't really see the fairway off the tee, but it turns out to be fairly generous when you get there. And then the green site is fantastic - sitting at the bottom of the hill, but still requiring precision to be on it. I really want to get back and play this course again. There are a few shots that I want to try again (the drive on 10, the approach on 12, the drive on 18). And I just really loved the look and feel of the place. A great course and a fun day of golf. Southern Pines I thought this was the best course of the 4 I played. It's wider than Pine Needles, and the greens are bigger. But the greens are much more undulating. The land here is truly excellent. There is a ton of land movement, and seemingly every hole has elevation changes you have to navigate. I really like both par 5s on the front. If you hit good drives on both, you will get a big kick down the fairway. If you don't, you're going to be faced with a long 2nd shot just to have a wedge in. 2 plays down the hill with the tee shot and then back up the hill with the approach. You have to be careful about club selection and distance control there. 7 was a good, fairly long par 3 with a green perched on a ledge. 11 was a driveable par 4 with a wild green. 15 was really cool as well - the tee shot is downhill, but then the green is back uphill. This is a course I would love to play everyday. It's a thinking man's course, because you have to be really careful with all the elevations changes there. You constantly have to play and commit to a club longer or shorter than the distance. And I don't really think there are any bad holes. Only negative is that a few holes are a bit repetitive - 4, 16, and 18 are all shorter par 4s where you're hitting an uphill approach wedge or short iron. This is a very minor nit, though. One of the best courses I've played. I'd have to think about where exactly to rank it, but easily within the top 10. Possibly cracking the top 5. I will play this again next time I'm in Pinehurst. Tobacco Road I had a blast at this course. It is unique and pretty wild. You start out with these massive dune-like hills pinching in on your tee shot on 1. And then the entire round feels like you're going around these massive dunes. There are a lot of interesting shots here. You have long carries over bunkers, blind tee shots, shots into tiny greens, shots into huge greens, carries over deep bunkers, downhill shots, uphill shots, you name it. The setting is incredible. It is a huge course, and the fairways and greens tend to be very generous. I want to write more about individual holes later. But I really liked 7, 9, 10, and 16. I want to play a couple of the par 3s again with different hole locations and/or different tee boxes. 6 and 17, in particular, could play like wildly different holes with a different hole location (for 17) or coming from a different tee box (for 6).  While I had a lot of fun seeing this course, I do feel like a smart golfer could get bored here. To me, it was fairly obvious that Strantz was trying to bait you into trying a bunch of hard shots. On 11, for example, if you hit a good drive to the right side of the fairway, you could have a shot at the green in 2. But the green is over a massive bunker that has to be 40 feet below the green. And the green is narrow, essentially facing perpendicular to you. The only chance you really have is to hit a perfect shot. The alternative is an easy lay up to a wide fairway, leaving you with a wedge at the perfect angle. Maybe I try going for it with a 7 iron or something shorter, but that's about it. I felt similar on 5 - the direct line to the green is not that far and the green is driveable, But if you miss, you're going to have a 40ish yard bunker shot or a lost ball. Meanwhile, if you play to the right, you have a massive fairway and you'll likely be left with a wedge in your hand. I think it would be fun to play with 2 balls on some of these holes and try the shots. If you are a LSW disciple, though, you are not going to try the crazy risky shots Strantz is trying to bait you into. In the end, I really enjoyed this course. But I think it's below PN or SP. It's still awesome, and it was fun to see and play. I would come back here, but it's a lower priority than other Pinehurst courses. Well, that ended up being longer than I was anticipating. I may add some more thoughts about specific holes later, but this is a good starting point. I do want to think more about course ratings out of 10 for these, too. More to come...
    • Day 123: did a stack session.
    • Day 48 - 2024-11-17 A little work before Junior Elite. Left thumb and the compensating left wrist are better; still not great.
    • I watched a re-release of The Fifth Element.  I am going to give this movie a tap in Eagle. It's a wells shot movie. The actors are great. The story is interesting, and the setting is fascinating. For it being just over 2 hours, the pacing is phenomenal. I really enjoyed watching this sci-fi classic. 
×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

Welcome to TST! Signing up is free, and you'll see fewer ads and can talk with fellow golf enthusiasts! By using TST, you agree to our Terms of Use, our Privacy Policy, and our Guidelines.

The popup will be closed in 10 seconds...