Wedge design ..... leading edge

[Gerald]

In my MP-57 set I have excellent wedges (9i and PW) and I am playing most short pitches around the green with my Vokey LW (58*) .....

I have been trying to chip with my 58* but for those tiny shots I prefer using my set's 9i (or 8i if I need some extra roll) ...... the main reason is that the straight leading edge of the set's clubs will result in a straight shot if if you let's say half blade them. If you half blade or thin a 58* speciality wedge like the Vokey SM, the round shape of the leading edge will send a ball to the left or right (or straight forward if it was at the center of the edge).

Anyway using the more rounded leading edged 58* gice me problems on those nice little chips.

Let's say I would like to add a 51* or 52* wedge, I would like such a wedge with a leading edge similar to that of my set's 9i and PW.

Hope my point is clear (my english ), any thoughts on finding a 51* or 52* with a straight leading edge ....... if there was a 51* MP-57 ..... no doubts, but there isn't.

Of course buying a Vokey SM 52*/08* would be the simpliest choice, but that would leave me with a rounded leading edge, learning not to thin shots ..... yes I know, but if it happens I prefer as little punishment as possible.

Please advise !

[DarkPrince]

Bob Vokey actually just opened some kind of customization shop or w/e where you can actually choose a bunch of different design options as opposed to just loft/bounce like normal. Scratch golf also gives you a bunch of options. Both are a lot pricier than a stock wedge, but the only other option is to grind them yourself or have a friend/pro/shop do it for you. I read somewhere that Sergio Garcia goes into the Taylormade truck and grinds his own irons/wedges often enough that they made him his own work apron with his name embroidered on it lol.

[will54]

Have you checked out the mizuno mp t 10/11?

[wrx_junki]

This has me confused, how often do you blade a chip shot? I know I shouldn't assume but as a 6.9 handicap, I can't imagine you blading a chip shot very often since I do it maybe once a round.

Back on topic, if you don't mind other company wedges, there are companies out there where the leading edge isn't as rounded as the Vokey's. I remember my Mizuno wedges being not as rounded but don't quote me on it since I only gamed them for one round. I think Cleveland wedges' leading edges are also not as rounded.

[Gerald]

I am sure that at my hc it should not happen, I think it also has something to do with the 12* bounce on the 58* compared to the 5* bounce on the 9i or 6* bounce on the PW ..... chipping with the 58* leaves so much room for small errors. I will check out the new MPT11 or I still might end up with a Vokey 50/6 bent to 51/7 ..... and may grind the edge a little as I like the SM spin (allthough the spin doesn't last very long on the vokeys).

[boogielicious]

Clevelands are more rounded than Vokey's which is part of the reason I went with Vokey. The Mizuno's wedge may be more square and swing more like your MP 57s. I understand where you are coming from. I rarely blade my chips anymore, but will use my 9 iron if the surface is hard or a tough lie. The Adams A4 leading edge is fairly square too.

[Open-Faced Club Sandwedge]

I am sure that at my hc it should not happen, I think it also has something to do with the 12* bounce on the 58* compared to the 5* bounce on the 9i or 6* bounce on the PW ..... chipping with the 58* leaves so much room for small errors. I will check out the new MPT11 or I still might end up with a Vokey 50/6 bent to 51/7 ..... and may grind the edge a little as I like the SM spin (allthough the spin doesn't last very long on the vokeys).

On tight lies, you need to get your hands ahead of the ball on those chips. You should only allow the bounce to come into play on fluffier lies.

-Andrew

[xxsoultonesxx]

Mizuno has the flattest leading edges that I know of.

[max power]

Agree with the above posts-leading edge shouldn't/doesn't cause you to blade the ball on chip shots, and the bounce shouldn't come into play on tight lies. Hands ahead, ball first.

[Jay-Bird]

Some people just prefer the leading edge to be straight. You and Luke Donald are of the same ilk.

[mcgriff]

I understand what you are saying. For tight lies I go to my 50.05 GW from my iron set. It works well. A lower bounce will help if hit behind a bit on the thin lies. Yes, ball first always, but bounce does exist and you can not ignore its effects. I don't think shopping for a wedge based on the leading edge shape is a good idea. If you are topping chips with a wedge with a pronounced leading edge you will do the same with a flat leading edge.

My chipping setup is 56.10 by default unless the lie is real tight....then 50.05.

[Stretch]

No problems chipping with a 56-13 in the MP T series. Have to be precise with pitches off soft turf, though, or you'll lay carpet.

[Fourputt]

No problems chipping with a 56-13 in the MP T series. Have to be precise with pitches off soft turf, though, or you'll lay carpet.

That is when I open the face a bit to let the bounce do its job, particularly if I'm playing the shot with my 56.11 Vokey. I recently replaced my 52.08 Vokey with the 51° AP-2 wedge, in part to get gap consistency, but I've found that I love the new wedge for chipping and pitching too. It saved me some 4 or 5 strokes yesterday when I was consistently missing greens. I seem to play much better shots with AP-2 than I ever did with the Vokey.

[enis750]

I am sure that at my hc it should not happen, I think it also has something to do with the 12* bounce on the 58* compared to the 5* bounce on the 9i or 6* bounce on the PW ..... chipping with the 58* leaves so much room for small errors. I will check out the new MPT11 or I still might end up with a Vokey 50/6 bent to 51/7 ..... and may grind the edge a little as I like the SM spin (allthough the spin doesn't last very long on the vokeys).

you just answered your own question bro

a high bounce club on "tight" lies can lead to blading more often then not with a lower boune LW you shouldnt have this issue.....and of course more practice w your LW around the greens IMO the Vokey line of wedges are some of the straighter edge'd wedges (compared to a big ol spoon like a CG 15) a LW is a very delicate club that can easily create shots that do some wicked stuff but it can also lead to some disaster shots that you never dreamed about getting up and down from i like bounce in the wedges, but i also practice a tonne w them, to learn how and when to use the bounce accordingly

[WUTiger]

On tight lies, you need to get your hands ahead of the ball on those chips. You should only allow the bounce to come into play on fluffier lies.

Gerald,

Go to the Callaway website and hunt up a video clip of Mickelson hitting short wedge shots. The discussion covers several things that both Andrew and you have mentioned.

[Gerald]

Hmmm, thanks for all thoughts and advise ..... I went to my clubfitter this morning, talked about what I wanted, and I ended up with a Vokey 52/08 bent to 51/07 ..... played a round of 76 this afternoon and got 0.6 lower in my hc ...... now down to 6.3 ..... of course it was not only by just buying another wedge, I have been working like hell last weeks on my chipping and went up and down at 8 holes to save par or save bogey. Anyway I had a few great shots with the new toy, but of course I still used my 9i on most chips....

PS. Phil shows most things very clearly, but on some video's he is talking on things that he really doesn't show......

[Gerald]

Some people just prefer the leading edge to be straight. You and Luke Donald are of the same ilk.

I would also prefer to play +4 ........

[Shanks A Million]

Some people just prefer the leading edge to be straight. You and Luke Donald are of the same ilk.

Exactly right. Many tour players have flat ground leading edges, it's mostly a mental thing I guess. I also like a flatter leading edge, and I often use my 9 iron or pitching wedge for chipping.