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Just wanted to go through my round of 69 at Whispering Woods to highlight a few things. It was from the blue tees (6500 yards) where we'd held the TST outing a few days prior. Let's take a look at eac

A few photos from my "lesson" with Dave today. Another set of eyes, mostly. Some good swings. Some a bit too fast. But even those weren't terrible.

I'd lost the feels so I went back to exaggerate. These aren't even exaggerations, but they're good. Not worried at all about the downswing on these, and I'm under-turning, too. I grouped the ball

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Originally Posted by mchepp

Would you consider your hips in a "reverse" position in the backswing? Seems that you could move the belt buckle back during the backswing and still give yourself the excellent left tilt that you have. Right now it seems that your hips start going forward in the backswing and then have trouble going "more forward" because they are already pretty forward. Sort of a Zack Johnson-esque move.

Certainly I am not trying to criticize, but learn with my comments. I cannot see the full swing so I am only guessing about the hip movement.

Criticize away! :-) That's why they're here. And I didn't mention it (or did I?) but I specifically posted the second image because it has the green lines on my hips, drawn at setup and clearly you can see a bit of "reverse hip slide" (to others not named Mike: it's reversed because in the backswing, if anything, the hips can go slightly to the golfer's right). Troy Matteson gets away with it but he does some other things I don't do, so it works with him.

The reverse hip slide pulls my head just that little bit forward, yeah. It may seem odd to people, but I'm going to spend some time feeling that I slide my hips back to the right a little bit. The idea is to stay centered, not to slide left during the backswing. You're dead on with the "have trouble going more forward" but I also have to spin them a bit given the steepness of the shaft from P4.2 to P5. That also prevents them from going forward a little bit.

And that reason right there - that they spin a little prematurely rather than going forward a little longer - is why the reverse hip slide is a lower priority than cleaning up the clubhead movement via wrist conditions from P3.8 to P4.2.

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Definitely looking good, like the idea of just making a "golf swing" and filming it.  Some people can get too caught up on trying to make it look perfect It will be interesting to see how the picture changes when you feel hips moving back.  Might help get the shaft a little steeper from P2-4

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Someone had asked to see my tempo. This is pretty much it. I hit about eight balls today and this was the second of the eight. Keys still in my pocket, etc. ;-)

More still photos coming later. Of the six additional balls I hit, I hit two "normal" ones and the other four were "working" on something.

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Yeah looking nice. I had the same sort of problem, hips too far forward in the backswing where I couldn't slide them in the downswing. Tried having less weight forward to begin with and it seems to be working.

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Some photos. They're a bit darker than they'd normally be because we only had 3 of the 9 lights on. Before swings done with no thoughts so they'd be as bad as possible. ;-)

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Originally Posted by iacas

Of the six additional balls I hit, I hit two "normal" ones and the other four were "working" on something.



Come on Erik.  You really never stop working on the somethings now, do you... .  Nice post.

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Erik, in order to get rid of the "scrunched shoulder" look on the left picture, do you work on "feeling" like your left shoulder is moving "out to right field" on the way down?  Also, if so, is that what helps to drop your hands on and your club under the top red plane line that is illustrated in the photo?

ON the photo in the left, it looks like your left shoulder has rotaed left and down almost creating a mini OTT move and moving the shoulder out to the right on the way down is the only way I can figure out how you fixed that.

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Originally Posted by Deryck Griffith

Erik, in order to get rid of the "scrunched shoulder" look on the left picture, do you work on "feeling" like your left shoulder is moving "out to right field" on the way down?  Also, if so, is that what helps to drop your hands on and your club under the top red plane line that is illustrated in the photo?

ON the photo in the left, it looks like your left shoulder has rotaed left and down almost creating a mini OTT move and moving the shoulder out to the right on the way down is the only way I can figure out how you fixed that.


Nope, not at all.

This was all about being more pitch elbow rather than punch elbow. It's one of the last things I need to work on (though I suspect footwork will be the truly last "piece" I dedicate chunks of time to before going into more of a maintenance mode). Since the right elbow is connected by a bone (i.e. it doesn't shrink or expand) to the right shoulder, the right shoulder is "forced higher" in the stills to the left as opposed to the right. Note the relationship of the belt and elbow:

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So the feeling is more "go pitch elbow from P3.5 to P4.5 (and beyond)." But I also need to make sure I get my arms down faster, and as a righty I like the "hitting" feeling, so in order to maintain accumulator 1/4 release speed (getting arms down faster), I had the feeling of getting my hands quickly "out there" (green arrow in picture) versus getting my hands quickly "down here" (red arrow):

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Here's a video showing the "feeling" that I'm currently working on...

P.S. Given the "feeling" I was after, I think you can understand why Dave and I both though there was a good chance I'd shank a few.

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Nope, not at all.

This was all about being more pitch elbow rather than punch elbow. It's one of the last things I need to work on (though I suspect footwork will be the truly last "piece" I dedicate chunks of time to before going into more of a maintenance mode). Since the right elbow is connected by a bone (i.e. it doesn't shrink or expand) to the right shoulder, the right shoulder is "forced higher" in the stills to the left as opposed to the right. Note the relationship of the belt and elbow:

So the feeling is more "go pitch elbow from P3.5 to P4.5 (and beyond)." But I also need to make sure I get my arms down faster, and as a righty I like the "hitting" feeling, so in order to maintain accumulator 1/4 release speed (getting arms down faster), I had the feeling of getting my hands quickly "out there" (green arrow in picture) versus getting my hands quickly "down here" (red arrow):


That makes a ton of sense, thank you for sharing.  Pinch elbow is what I see all the guys on tour accomplish quite consistently (especially Jim Furyk; however, he's a bit of a unique case and maybe a bit extreme the other way).  I have a hunch that a "pinch" elbow can help to generate a bit more speed/power?

I also really like the "out there" and "down there" explanation you made.  It really brings clarity to what you are trying to accomplish and is a great tip for anyone really...especially lower handicaps.

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Originally Posted by Deryck Griffith

That makes a ton of sense, thank you for sharing.  Pinch elbow is what I see all the guys on tour accomplish quite consistently (especially Jim Furyk; however, he's a bit of a unique case and maybe a bit extreme the other way).  I have a hunch that a "pinch" elbow can help to generate a bit more speed/power?

I also really like the "out there" and "down there" explanation you made.  It really brings clarity to what you are trying to accomplish and is a great tip for anyone really...especially lower handicaps.


To be clear on a few things...

  1. There's really no such thing as "pinch elbow." It's kind of the name I've given to the position that's not quite pitch and not quite punch. Combine the two - to get the position that's "kind of in the middle" - and you get "pinch."
  2. Jim Furyk is nowhere near pitch elbow. On the PGA Tour a lot of players are closer to pitch than punch, though, I would agree with that.

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More speed and power? Debatable (depends on a lot of things). But in the normal case, I think it's more likely to help than to hurt.

BTW, as you'll note, in the ongoing proof that feel ain't real:

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Video posted for two reasons.

  1. I didn't realize I hadn't posted it yet.
  2. Some of you may find it fun that I shank it.

:-) As the quote on the video's YouTube page says:

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TGM 2-0. Make the correct motion even if you miss the ball until you no longer miss the ball. ;-) Or, in this case, until you no longer shank it.

Anyway, enjoy. Or don't. :-)

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Good stuff Erik. I think what happens to most is that they'll work on feeling something different to change the picture, get a bad result, (a shank in this case) and then say, "it doesn't work". Ditch it and try something else. What you're trying to do isn't wrong, we know what's correct because we Understand what an efficient golf swing entails, but when we exaggerate and start changing feels our sequencing needs time to catch up.
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