The Dan Plan - 10,000 Hours to Become a Pro Golfer (Dan McLaughlin)

[Lihu]

Where does that statistic come from?

I doubt whether it would be 1%.

Note, that this is only the men who carry a USGA handicap.

http://www.usga.org/handicapping/articles_resources/Men-s--Handicap-Indexes/

Guessing 1.33% of the general golfing public?

In retrospect, I also doubt this optimistic a figure. A 5HC male player is really good.

[Pretzel]

I would tend to agree that Dan doesn't talk about golfing like he is a 2 handicap. I haven't really noticed the rough, besides a slight distance and spin loss, since I dropped below a 10 handicap (with one of the courses having been used as a U.S. Open qualifier course before, that one I did notice a bit more distance loss on). Dan's talking about how the rough is forcing him to just hit a pitch shot back to the fairway, but I have never seen any rough shorter than knee-high that truly requires you to play in such a manner. Even if the rough is 6 inches deep (as the second cut is at Indian Peaks Golf Course, where the league I have played in plays) you can often still attempt to hit the green from inside of 150 yards. Outside of 150 it can be difficult, but you are far from just hacking out. I would be very interested in seeing Dan hit balls in person. If he really does have problems with tree roots (he was afraid of breaking his hand on a 1/2" root, which my swings would tear to pieces) and moderately thick rough I would like to see how he is swinging that these are issues.

[MSchott]

Note, that this is only the men who carry a USGA handicap.

http://www.usga.org/handicapping/articles_resources/Men-s--Handicap-Indexes/

Guessing 1.33% of the general golfing public?

In retrospect, I also doubt this optimistic a figure. A 5HC male player is really good.

Agree. I know a lot of golfers, some are very good and often break 80. I can't think of one who is a 5.

[nevets88]

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Originally Posted by Shorty

Where does that statistic come from?

I doubt whether it would be 1%.

Note, that this is only the men who carry a USGA handicap.

http://www.usga.org/handicapping/articles_resources/Men-s--Handicap-Indexes/

Guessing 1.33% of the general golfing public?

In retrospect, I also doubt this optimistic a figure. A 5HC male player is really good.

I qualified my statement by saying if the person was dedicated to golf full time, had top notch instruction, year round great weather and was no dumb dumb and had a good work ethic in addition to the relatively athletic requirement. I'm not saying this for average person with a full time job and crap instruction.

[Lihu]

I qualified my statement by saying if the person was dedicated to golf full time, had top notch instruction, year round great weather and was no dumb dumb and had a good work ethic in addition to the relatively athletic requirement. I'm not saying this for average person with a full time job and crap instruction.

I still don't know about this. All the 3-5 handicaps I met had been scratch players who "let themselves go".

5 handicaps have at least 8 chances at birdie every round making on average 2.

[nevets88]

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I qualified my statement by saying if the person was dedicated to golf full time, had top notch instruction, year round great weather and was no dumb dumb and had a good work ethic in addition to the relatively athletic requirement. I'm not saying this for average person with a full time job and crap instruction.

I still don't know about this. All the 3-5 handicaps I met had been scratch players who "let themselves go".

5 handicaps have at least 8 chances at birdie every round making on average 2.

Yep.

[Shorty]

Note, that this is only the men who carry a USGA handicap.

http://www.usga.org/handicapping/articles_resources/Men-s--Handicap-Indexes/

Guessing 1.33% of the general golfing public?

In retrospect, I also doubt this optimistic a figure. A 5HC male player is really good.

If they are as free and easy with their handicapping (vanity) handicapping as our good friends Dan with their "official" handicap, and count rounds playing on their own and ignore bad ones, then I'm not surprised.

On the other hand, if you lined up 100 random golfers I'd be very surprised if one in 20 was a consistent 70s shooter.

A lot of these "5s" are actually 15s.

[Lihu]

If they are as free and easy with their handicapping (vanity) handicapping as our good friends Dan with their "official" handicap, and count rounds playing on their own and ignore bad ones, then I'm not surprised.

On the other hand, if you lined up 100 random golfers I'd be very surprised if one in 20 was a consistent 70s shooter.

A lot of these "5s" are actually 15s.

Maybe 15 is a bit of an exaggeration, but yeah, I get your point.

[flopster]

If they are as free and easy with their handicapping (vanity) handicapping as our good friends Dan with their "official" handicap, and count rounds playing on their own and ignore bad ones, then I'm not surprised.

On the other hand, if you lined up 100 random golfers I'd be very surprised if one in 20 was a consistent 70s shooter.

A lot of these "5s" are actually 15s.ate

What? Being a 5 is not as earth moving as some may think it is, play at a tough course like I do ( rate 73.7 slope 139) and only 5 of your 10 revision rounds even need to be in the 70's.

[Shorty]

What? Being a 5 is not as earth moving as some may think it is, play at a tough course like I do ( rate 73.7 slope 139) and only 5 of your 10 revision rounds even need to be in the 70's.

Which makes you a legitimate 5.

There are posters all over golf forums who have a handicap of 5 who ask about what to expect in their first tourney or seek clarification on OB and casual water. They are not 5 markers. They are vanity handicappers who wouldn't break 90 on a 139 slope course but will tell their friends they had 73.

I'm talking about the Dan McLaughlins of this world.

[flopster]

Which makes you a legitimate 5.

There are posters all over golf forums who have a handicap of 5 who ask about what to expect in their first tourney or seek clarification on OB and casual water. They are not 5 markers. They are vanity handicappers who wouldn't break 90 on a 139 slope course but will tell their friends they had 73.

I'm talking about the Dan McLaughlins of this world.

ok

[nevets88]

This was a recent comment on his blog.

You Go Dan! you are in uncharted waters, a true Pioneer. No one else has had the idea or commitment to do what you’re doing. You are, indeed, an living advertisement and if manufactures want to supply you with their wares, and they should, all the better for your budget. The challenges (most will never know) you face and the incredible job you’re doing to apply a theory is ‘ground breaking’. Your goal of playing in the PGA is the heart of a professional.when you get paid for making that first Cut then you’re a “Professional” Keep up the good work!

I hope to see you on the golf series “The Big Break” someday. I think that would be Cool.

Hang in there Dan, Perhaps you will be proven in the last hours of you journey when you are rewarded for all of your work and dedication when “it all comes together” . That’s how true winners are made! Keep going and never look back!

[David in FL]

This was a recent comment on his blog.

It's this type of thing that really contributes to making it hard to take the whole effort/process seriously.......

[newtogolf]

This was a recent comment on his blog.

Was it signed - Love mom?   Otherwise it was clearly one of Dan's people trying to help him out.

[Lihu]

I don't think it was serious. It will just drag out his efforts longer. Maybe, with this he'll now have the fortitude to stick with the program for another 4000 hours and shave off a few strokes to get to a true 5 handicap?

[Shorty]

My comment where I asked what he had to offer a sponsor was removed.

The guy is a complete loser and a jerk.

He is whining about not having sponsors and how he's the "world's cheapest billboard" for Titleist, essentially insulting them.

Notice how he doesn't correct interviewers who say he'll be playing alongside Tiger Woods in 2018?

[nevets88]

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@ thedanplan I'd be interested to know your deliberate practise routine ideas, & how you record, compare & reflect on them?

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2:57 PM - 6 Nov 2014

At least we're not the only ones anymore