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Makes it so much more simple when talking about the swing.  Also sounds cool

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At P4, what is the ideal position of the wrists to allow for the best chance of the face coming square or slightly open at impact....cupped, flat, etc and how does that affect the club appearing to look laid off or across the line at the top?

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Originally Posted by Deryck Griffith

At P4, what is the ideal position of the wrists to allow for the best chance of the face coming square or slightly open at impact....cupped, flat, etc and how does that affect the club appearing to look laid off or across the line at the top?



Flat left wrist or slightly cupped , this is a good one

Grant and Charlie P4 dtl.jpg

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Mike, wouldn't cupping, flat or bowing at P4 be a variable like grip, stance, alignment, and ball position? The great players each seem to have a different wrist angle at the top of their backswing, but it matches whatever swing type they have.

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Erik,

Thanks for the great writeup.

I always wondered if a laid off position made the FO picture look laggy. I would guess there is 15* of difference in the left P5 images between Wi and Fowler. So would you say the same applies to other similar players like Garcia, Glover, Hogan, Chad Campbell?

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Awesome.  Thanks Erik.  I didn't realize the P2 thing you noted about Stricker.  I also set my wrists pretty late, and in watching myself on video recently I've noticed that my club head is pretty far behind my hands at P2.  I didn't realize that that was at least partially just a function my late wrist set, and maybe I don't have to totally rebuild my swing.  Though I've been trying to set my wrists a bit earlier in pursuit of keeping the club head more in line with my hands and it's actually been helping my swing generally.

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I am thinking when 3D technology becomes commonplace and swings are viewable from front, back, above, under, behind, etc... in 3D, the golf swing will be so much better explained.

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Originally Posted by Deryck Griffith

At P4, what is the ideal position of the wrists to allow for the best chance of the face coming square or slightly open at impact....cupped, flat, etc and how does that affect the club appearing to look laid off or across the line at the top?

To be clear, these aren't positions I'm specifically relating to any one way of swinging the club. And even within that "one way" there are several ways you could orient your wrists at the top. If you have a matching component later on (it could be the attachment, it could be how much you roll the arms or twist the shaft on the downswing, etc.) then you could do anything from cupped to bowed to flat.

"Flattish" would be in the middle, of course.

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Mike, wouldn't cupping, flat or bowing at P4 be a variable like grip, stance, alignment, and ball position? The great players each seem to have a different wrist angle at the top of their backswing, but it matches whatever swing type they have.


Exactly.

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I am thinking when 3D technology becomes commonplace and swings are viewable from front, back, above, under, behind, etc... in 3D, the golf swing will be so much better explained.


Eh. I think we know plenty now, and I think that we have to be careful that the more technology we throw at things, the more expensive golf instruction becomes. We've had 3D data for years. It's great information for instructors, and they can pass it on to students.

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Great topic, great info, extremely well done, 'iacas'.  In lessons that I have given over the years, including to my 2 kids who play the game as well, I do alot of slow motion, swing position drills, sometimes with a weighted club (old 8 iron I filled the shaft with BB's).  I have simplified it to P1, the setup, this is where we work on grip, alignment, stance , etc.  P2, is the backswing at waist high, (where is the toe of the club, where is the shaft pointing at this time, full extension of your left arm, straight, not stiff).  P3 is the rotation from from waist high to the top of your backswing, (where are your hands in conjunction with your shoulders, straight but not stiff left arm).  Then we work on swinging smoothly from the top of the backswing to a balanced, belt buckle at the target finish.  Thanks for explaining and displaying these positions for examples, great info.

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Good Stuff Erik....the only position you missed was the one I get into every now and then.....the "P-O" position which follows the P-9.

This is my "pissed off" position!

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