Ten bucks if you can cure my slice :)

[threejack]

Alright guys with woods and my driver I will 50-50 hit it straight or hit it a slice. I have no idea why and I have tried everything! If I could get rid of it forever I would be able to drop like 8 strokes per round easily! My club face is square I promise you that much, my path is pretty straight, if anything its more inside-out than outside-in. I am personally thinking I don't rotate the club face through my follow through.

Any ideas of what else could cause my slice? I would be eternally grateful and I bet I could break 80 soon.

Thanks!

Mike

[threejack]

not to be the weirdo that posts on his own thread but I think i found out why just thinking about my swing. I have been flipping my right hand through impact rather than rotating it over the left.

confirm my thoughts if I am correct, but flipping that right hand would leave the face open through impact and actually rotating it and the face through impact would promote a straight, maybe even a draw correct?

[Stretch]

Your slice (and any slice) is caused by the club face being open at impact relative to the club path . If, as you say, your club face is square to the target line at impact, then it must follow that your club path is outside-in. In order to cure your slice, you must learn to actually hit from the inside-out, rather than just feeling like you are doing so. Forget about conscious rotation of the club face. Anyone who tells you that you need to "roll your wrists over more" or "increase your rate of closure" is, frankly, smoking the minty fresh crack.

[threejack]

I would normally agree with you because that is such a natural motion with the golf swing. However, I have played baseball all my life and have only been playing golf for 4 months now and that hand rotation is really not too natural for me because of how I used to swing a bat. My path is very on plane and like I said, if anything, inside-out.

[Stretch]

You're welcome to disagree, but you're arguing with the laws of physics not me.

The ball starts out where the club face is pointing. Its curve is determined by the club path. If the club face is square to the target line at impact, the ball will start straight. For a right hander, if the club path is in-to-out (ie. to the right of the target line) the ball will then draw/hook and finish left of the target. If the club path is out-to-in (ie. to the left of the target line) the ball will fade/slice and finish right of the target.* Which one describes you?

(* The impact is in three dimensions and the angle of attack does matter, but this statement is still going to hold true with the driver in almost 100% of cases because the approach to the ball is of necessity quite shallow one way or the other.)

[threejack]

i completely understand the laws of physics and definitely the ball flight laws, trust me, I've had this slice for a longgg time. this hand rotation is not just squaring my club face, its helping with my extension at impact and follow through. I will try to hit some balls soon and let you know if it fixes the problem. It feels to good and natural not to be the fix ;)

[poser]

Stretch is correct.  I can promise you that I never crossover release if anything I try to feel my right hand under my left for as long as possible to keep the face more square to the target and I hit a push draw for my stock shot.  Your path may feel from the inside but, if you are slicing it then your face is either way open to that or its not to the inside like you think.  VIdeo your swing is your best bet but, the ball flight laws don't lie.  Also what type of slice are you hitting?  If its a pull slice your face isn't the issue its the path and if it's a push slice then your face is more of the issue than the path.

[threejack]

I am not arguing with the information he is providing. However I have very good fundamentals and a completely on plane swing. I will agree that it is a form of an OTT swing but rather than my swing coming out to in I flipped my wrists at the end to release my lag however that throws the head around from the outside. A proper release should involve rotation. I will post video of my "new" swing later and you guys will hopefully agree that it looks pretty golden ;-)

[poser]

Originally Posted by threejack

I am not arguing with the information he is providing. However I have very good fundamentals and a completely on plane swing. I will agree that it is a form of an OTT swing but rather than my swing coming out to in I flipped my wrists at the end to release my lag however that throws the head around from the outside. A proper release should involve rotation. I will post video of my "new" swing later and you guys will hopefully agree that it looks pretty golden

Right on Bill Nye the science guy.   Glad we all could help you figure out you already knew the answer better than us.

[inthehole]

I cured my slice by developing the stack & tilt swing - it's designed to simplify hte golf swing & cure slices in the process.       Do yourself a favor & check out the youtube video's on it - if you keep your head centered & shift weight forward, slice be gone.      If you want a quick fix, just cant the driver face to the left (closing the face of the club) - that will get rid of the slice.

[Harmonious]

Originally Posted by threejack

I am not arguing with the information he is providing. However I have very good fundamentals and a completely on plane swing. I will agree that it is a form of an OTT swing but rather than my swing coming out to in I flipped my wrists at the end to release my lag however that throws the head around from the outside. A proper release should involve rotation. I will post video of my "new" swing later and you guys will hopefully agree that it looks pretty golden

With an completely on-plane swing, a square clubface and a pretty golden swing, it seems that you don't need (or want) any helpful advice to lower that 14 cap.

[iacas]

Originally Posted by poser

Right on Bill Nye the science guy.   Glad we all could help you figure out you already knew the answer better than us.

That's the thing. You asked for help, but then you know more than everyone else.

Here's the thing. You said "My club face is square I promise you that much, my path is pretty straight, if anything its more inside-out than outside-in."

Guess what? It's not even remotely possible for a ball hit with a "square club face" and a path that's "straight or inside-out" to SLICE. 100% impossible.

Here's the truth: your good (i.e. "straight") shots are dead pulls. Your bad shots are slices. You line up to the right.

Here are some educated guesses: your path is 10 degrees left of your stance and a little left of your target. Your clubface on the "straight" shots is 10 degrees left of your stance as well, and on your "slices" is only 5 degrees left of your stance.

You're at least 90% likely to be wrong that "rotating your wrists" will cure your slice. Two things for you to consider.

1) Zach Johnson draws everything. How much did he "rotate his wrists" in this photo relative to you?

2) Have you considered that "releasing the club" or "rotating your wrists" can make your slice worse?

[Phil McGleno]

threejack, it sounds like you're getting some tough love. If you choose to listen, you'll be better off. If you choose to insist that you're right, well, good luck to you, because that approach led to a guy who slices the ball and doesn't know why.

[poser]

Originally Posted by iacas

That's the thing. You asked for help, but then you know more than everyone else.

Here's the thing. You said "My club face is square I promise you that much, my path is pretty straight, if anything its more inside-out than outside-in."

Guess what? It's not even remotely possible for a ball hit with a "square club face" and a path that's "straight or inside-out" to SLICE. 100% impossible.

Here's the truth: your good (i.e. "straight") shots are dead pulls. Your bad shots are slices. You line up to the right.

Here are some educated guesses: your path is 10 degrees left of your stance and a little left of your target. Your clubface on the "straight" shots is 10 degrees left of your stance as well, and on your "slices" is only 5 degrees left of your stance.

You're at least 90% likely to be wrong that "rotating your wrists" will cure your slice. Two things for you to consider.

1) Zach Johnson draws everything. How much did he "rotate his wrists" in this photo relative to you?

2) Have you considered that "releasing the club" or "rotating your wrists" can make your slice worse?

Great post!

[threejack]

Yes everyone is hating on me right now so let me just start fresh. Thank you all for putting up with my stubbornness but continuing to try to help. I plan on playing 18 today. I will remember to try to swing extra in to out if I slice it. Iacas, as you can see in that frame my left arm is winging a little, is that not screaming open face?

[JetFan1983]

Originally Posted by threejack

Yes everyone is hating on me right now so let me just start fresh.

Thank you all for putting up with my stubbornness but continuing to try to help.

We're definitely just trying to help. You'll find that this place is about helping, not a pissing contest or a bash fest. But with this post, I can tell that you are already taking the first step!

And we're definitely not hating. We're just having a little fun because the stuff you're saying is not that uncommon amongst newer players (and even some pros, yikes!), that's all.

Don't worry, if you stick around and read enough you'll be light years ahead of where you are now in no time at all! Just stick with it and keep an open mind like you are in this post I'm quoting

[iacas]

Originally Posted by threejack

Yes everyone is hating on me right now so let me just start fresh.

Nobody's hating on you. It is a little weird that you insist - despite any actual evidence and in contrast to, you know, physics - that you're doing certain things. That's what people are talking about. Open your ears...

Originally Posted by threejack

Thank you all for putting up with my stubbornness but continuing to try to help. I plan on playing 18 today. I will remember to try to swing extra in to out if I slice it.

That's not gonna do it... You can't just "think swing more in to out."

Originally Posted by threejack

Iacas, as you can see in that frame my left arm is winging a little, is that not screaming open face?

Highly, highly unlikely that your clubface is open at impact. To the path, yes. To the target, no. People who swing out to in very quickly learn to start the ball to the left of the target if they're gonna slice it... Almost NOBODY slices with the ball starting RIGHT of the target. Almost nobody who plays right-handed, that is.

Get some good down-the-line video of your driver. Film it with the camera along your toes and pointed parallel left of your target. Along your toe line, basically.

Originally Posted by JetFan1983

Don't worry, if you stick around and read enough you'll be light years ahead of where you are now in no time at all! Just stick with it and keep an open mind like you are in this post I'm quoting

Yep.

[iacas]

BTW, I strongly encourage you to find an instructor with which you can develop not only your golf swing but your understanding of the golf swing as well.

This forum is here to help with both, too, but nothing beats developing a personal relationship with a good instructor.

http://thesandtrap.com/b/playing_tips/the_instructor_quiz_nine_questions_youve_gotta_ask

http://thesandtrap.com/b/playing_tips/ball_flight_laws