My Swing (The_Pharaoh)

[iacas]

  The_Pharaoh said:

Originally Posted by The_Pharaoh

Do you mean that I need to keep my right elbow closer to my body throughout the swing? I am comparing my TOTB position with yours and Wi's, and noticing how close you keep your elbows to your side.

Sure, but also, extensor action is the pushing out with the right arm. You let your right elbow collapse too much.

[mvmac]

  The_Pharaoh said:

Quote:

Originally Posted by The_Pharaoh

Do you mean that I need to keep my right elbow closer to my body throughout the swing? I am comparing my TOTB position with yours and Wi's, and noticing how close you keep your elbows to your side.

Extensor action is a Golfing Machine term, effort to continually straighten a bent right arm.  Basically Erik is saying don't flex your right arm past 90*, right arm will feel straighter at the top of the back swing.

[The_Pharaoh]

  mvmac said:

Originally Posted by mvmac

Extensor action is a Golfing Machine term, effort to continually straighten a bent right arm.  Basically Erik is saying don't flex your right arm past 90*, right arm will feel straighter at the top of the back swing.

Thanks Mike! Hands IN is easy to understand but will take time as I am so petrified of coming too far inside. I'm struggling a bit with the right elbow but I think I have it now. My right elbow should not bend past 90* and it is currently nearer 45*.

[The_Pharaoh]

I know the hands need to go in more, I'm working on it, and I honestly feel I will get there with more work. However, my main concern is the downswing! I cannot for the life of me hit from the inside. Not even with a half swing at 10%! I tried everything I could think of at the range this morning to shallow out my downswing, but nothing worked. I even put an obstacle in the way but hit it every time.

I hit the full shot below just to see if I could get the backswing right at full speed and I'm very happy with the changes I am making, but the priority now is coming down.

[iacas]

  The_Pharaoh said:

Originally Posted by The_Pharaoh

I know the hands need to go in more, I'm working on it, and I honestly feel I will get there with more work. However, my main concern is the downswing! I cannot for the life of me hit from the inside. Not even with a half swing at 10%! I tried everything I could think of at the range this morning to shallow out my downswing, but nothing worked. I even put an obstacle in the way but hit it every time.

I hit the full shot below just to see if I could get the backswing right at full speed and I'm very happy with the changes I am making, but the priority now is coming down.

I disagree that the priority is the downswing. Not yet. Soon, but not yet.

And when it becomes one, a face-on view is going to be a big help. Wouldn't be a bad thing now, either, but it'll be more important when you're looking at the downswing.

You should consider signing up for evolvr.

[The_Pharaoh]

  iacas said:

Originally Posted by iacas

You should consider signing up for evolvr.

I agree.

[nickolasjt]

On the last video,, still a little steep..  Getting alot better thought!  To get the club more "around" you rather than over the top set up WAY!!!! left of your target and make yourself hit a push to your target.  That will deffinatly help you flatten out a litte.  The takeaway looks lots better!  Good work!!

[The_Pharaoh]

  nickolasjt said:

Originally Posted by nickolasjt

On the last video,, still a little steep..  Getting alot better thought!  To get the club more "around" you rather than over the top set up WAY!!!! left of your target and make yourself hit a push to your target.  That will deffinatly help you flatten out a litte.  The takeaway looks lots better!  Good work!!

Thanks! That's the best takeaway I've made for years!! I tried aiming way RIGHT but that didn't work. Even with a basket in the way I could still come OTT. I never thought of aiming way LEFT. It's weird as I can do it, even coming under plane, with no ball there to hit, but the moment I go to hit one....

[mvmac]

  The_Pharaoh said:

Originally Posted by The_Pharaoh

I agree.

And he did! I'm basically just going to copy and paste what Erik has said, lol just kidding

[The_Pharaoh]

  mvmac said:

Originally Posted by mvmac

And he did!  I'm basically just going to copy and paste what Erik has said, lol just kidding

Wait a minute, I want Erik!

Haha! Just kidding Mike.

[iacas]

  The_Pharaoh said:

Originally Posted by The_Pharaoh

Wait a minute, I want Erik!

Haha! Just kidding Mike.

Mike, maybe he's never heard me speak. When you do his video just say "Hi, this is Erik." He'll NEVER KNOW! :-D

[The_Pharaoh]

  iacas said:

Originally Posted by iacas

Mike, maybe he's never heard me speak. When you do his video just say "Hi, this is Erik." He'll NEVER KNOW! :-D

Oh but I have heard you speak. I've seen the Easy As A-B-C-D plane video! ;-)

[mvmac]

  The_Pharaoh said:

Originally Posted by The_Pharaoh

Oh but I have heard you speak. I've seen the Easy As A-B-C-D plane video! ;-)

lol

I'll have it to you soon, going to record it tonight.

[bunkerputt]

  The_Pharaoh said:

Originally Posted by The_Pharaoh

I know the hands need to go in more, I'm working on it, and I honestly feel I will get there with more work. However, my main concern is the downswing! I cannot for the life of me hit from the inside. Not even with a half swing at 10%! I tried everything I could think of at the range this morning to shallow out my downswing, but nothing worked. I even put an obstacle in the way but hit it every time.

I hit the full shot below just to see if I could get the backswing right at full speed and I'm very happy with the changes I am making, but the priority now is coming down.

Curious to see what Mike and Erik suggest here.  "Shallow" comes from head back + hips forward + right shoulder low + hands leading the clubhead.  If any one of those is missing, you don't get "shallow".  Arms look OK to me in relation to shoulder turn, but shoulders are turning too flat which means you have to get steep with the hands and arms to actually hit the ball.  Your arms and shoulders are then working ( read: fighting ) on different planes.  Your brain, especially as an experienced golfer, will not let you not hit the ball . So until you point your left shoulder more at the ball, you are going to be coming down steeper than you took it back.  Take a look at their shoulder tilt videos.  Hard to tell DTL, but it looks like you didn't tilt left enough to get the shoulder line pointing down towards the ball (2 feet in front or so) instead of 10 feet in front.  I get the sense that the head is raising up and moving towards me instead of remaining fixed and centered.  Imagine with your current swing, you would have the ball teed up two feet in the air off the ground in front of you.  Now imagine it lowering slowly and adjusting your shoulder line at P4 to accommodate (tilt more).

[mchepp]

Your downswing is a bunch of compensations based on your backswing. Get your backswing down and it will clear up your downswing issues. If you want to know why you are steep, in my opinion you are steep because you are overswinging.

Getting set up with some lessons will start to piece together your backswing. Evolver is a great choice.

[The_Pharaoh]

  bunkerputt said:

Originally Posted by bunkerputt

Curious to see what Mike and Erik suggest here.  "Shallow" comes from head back + hips forward + right shoulder low + hands leading the clubhead.  If any one of those is missing, you don't get "shallow".  Arms look OK to me in relation to shoulder turn, but shoulders are turning too flat which means you have to get steep with the hands and arms to actually hit the ball.  Your arms and shoulders are then working (read: fighting) on different planes.  Your brain, especially as an experienced golfer, will not let you not hit the ball. So until you point your left shoulder more at the ball, you are going to be coming down steeper than you took it back.  Take a look at their shoulder tilt videos.  Hard to tell DTL, but it looks like you didn't tilt left enough to get the shoulder line pointing down towards the ball (2 feet in front or so) instead of 10 feet in front.  I get the sense that the head is raising up and moving towards me instead of remaining fixed and centered.  Imagine with your current swing, you would have the ball teed up two feet in the air off the ground in front of you.  Now imagine it lowering slowly and adjusting your shoulder line at P4 to accommodate (tilt more).

I've signed up to Evolvr now and working on my first homework assignment! To be honest, it's hard work but then I knew that. According to Mike, a lot of my problems will be solved with hands going more in. Yes, I am too shallow at P3, yes, my shoulders turn on too shallow a plane, yes, I am lifting up. All because the hands don't go in enough. I am struggling with hands in, clubhead out at the moment. I can get the hands in but the clubhead follows my hands. The only way I can keep the clubhead from diving inside is to start the hands to the outside. I try to tilt more to the left but I then hit every ball super fat.

[iacas]

  The_Pharaoh said:

Originally Posted by The_Pharaoh

I've signed up to Evolvr now and working on my first homework assignment!  To be honest, it's hard work but then I knew that. According to Mike, a lot of my problems will be solved with hands going more in. Yes, I am too shallow at P3, yes, my shoulders turn on too shallow a plane, yes, I am lifting up. All because the hands don't go in enough. I am struggling with hands in, clubhead out at the moment. I can get the hands in but the clubhead follows my hands. The only way I can keep the clubhead from diving inside is to start the hands to the outside. I try to tilt more to the left but I then hit every ball super fat.

Hinge the club up a little faster. Right hand stays on top with logo on gloved left hand pointing towards the golf ball more.

Right hand stays on top. Hinge the club up a little faster.

Right hand stays on top. Hinge the club up a little faster.

Right hand stays on top. Hinge the club up a little faster.

[The_Pharaoh]

  mchepp said:

Originally Posted by mchepp

Your downswing is a bunch of compensations based on your backswing. Get your backswing down and it will clear up your downswing issues. If you want to know why you are steep, in my opinion you are steep because you are overswinging.

Getting set up with some lessons will start to piece together your backswing. Evolver is a great choice.

Perhaps you missed it, but I have signed up for Evolver. Thanks for your comments.

I am trying to shorten the backswing and feel more 3/4ers with more right arm extensor action. I've improved that aspect but need to keep at it.

I am also working on a drill to fix the downswing while doing hands in. I slide an alignment stick through an empty basket of balls and use it as my plane line. I then take the club back OVER the alignment stick and come down UNDER it. It seems like a simple exercise to do, but when you've been coming OTT as much and for as long as I have been, it's actually very hard to do. The only way to do it correctly is feeling a massive loop, but then that's a good sign.