Jump to content
IGNORED

Joe Paterno and Penn State


dhanson
 Share

Note: This thread is 3348 days old. We appreciate that you found this thread instead of starting a new one, but if you plan to post here please make sure it's still relevant. If not, please start a new topic. Thank you!

Recommended Posts

Originally Posted by Kapanda

So is not reporting unsolicited facts the same as doing something like destroying evidence to ensure facts are not discovered?

Not really meaning to gang up on you, but yes, it is exactly the same.  Had he reported it on more than one occasion, he could have prevented more rapes ... and he would have had to be extremely dense to have not realized that, in my opinion.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

I'm internalising what you guys are saying, but I am finding it hard to equate someone just not telling - like, if I see a burglary take place and don't report it - and someone attempting to make sure facts remain unknown - like the burglars intimidating witnesses.

On a more relevant note, I read a comment on b/r that Joe Pa actually told someone not to go to the cops. That certainly amounts to a cover-up.

Link to comment
Share on other sites


Originally Posted by Kapanda

I'm internalising what you guys are saying, but I am finding it hard to equate someone just not telling - like, if I see a burglary take place and don't report it - and someone attempting to make sure facts remain unknown - like the burglars intimidating witnesses.

On a more relevant note, I read a comment on b/r that Joe Pa actually told someone not to go to the cops. That certainly amounts to a cover-up.

OK, now what if the burglars are people you are acquainted with and you know if you don't report it, they will probably do it again?  Oh, and each time they rob a bank they also rape a child.

See the difference?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

Paterno is one of many that need to be assigned blame.  The Freeh report seems to indicate that the football coaches, PSU administration, the board of trustees and possibly even the police department, district attorney's office and PA governors all played a part in the cover up.   While it's easy to assign blame to the dead guy, I find it difficult to believe that Paterno alone could strong arm the college admin, trustees, police dept and DA office, this reeks of a political coverup that includes former and current Governors Rendell and Corbett.  Corbett's campaign was partially financed by Sandusky's Second Mile Charity.

Originally Posted by Golfingdad

Not really meaning to gang up on you, but yes, it is exactly the same.  Had he reported it on more than one occasion, he could have prevented more rapes ... and he would have had to be extremely dense to have not realized that, in my opinion.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

Originally Posted by newtogolf

Paterno is one of many that need to be assigned blame.  The Freeh report seems to indicate that the football coaches, PSU administration, the board of trustees and possibly even the police department, district attorney's office and PA governors all played a part in the cover up.   While it's easy to assign blame to the dead guy, I find it difficult to believe that Paterno alone could strong arm the college admin, trustees, police dept and DA office, this reeks of a political coverup that includes former and current Governors Rendell and Corbett.  Corbett's campaign was partially financed by Sandusky's Second Mile Charity.

Totally ... in fact I almost made a comment about my use of the word "he" instead of "they" but since he's the face of the program and the one whose statue and stadium name we are talking about I left it alone.  But they all share that blame.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

Exactly, he's the face of the program, he's the guy they built and dedicated a statue to, and he's also the guy that can't dispute what's said or not said about him because he's dead.  Everyone involved needs to answer for their involvement in covering for Sandusky, Paterno shouldn't take the fall for all of them.  If Sandusky has any conscience he should come forward and point the finger at all involved that enabled him to continue to molest and rape young boys while he was associated with PSU.

Originally Posted by Golfingdad

Totally ... in fact I almost made a comment about my use of the word "he" instead of "they" but since he's the face of the program and the one whose statue and stadium name we are talking about I left it alone.  But they all share that blame.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

Originally Posted by Golfingdad

OK, now what if the burglars are people you are acquainted with and you know if you don't report it, they will probably do it again?  Oh, and each time they rob a bank they also rape a child.

See the difference?

The difference I see is in the gravity and level of responsibility, not in the nature of the act. If I then told my friends, who also found out about this, not to go to the police with it, then I see the case for a cover-up charge.

And to make things clear, by not coming out with it, Pa did something terrible. I agree that he bears a huge burden in this case. And if he did in fact tell others not to come out with it, then he is guilty of a cover-up.

Link to comment
Share on other sites


Originally Posted by newtogolf

Paterno is one of many that need to be assigned blame.  The Freeh report seems to indicate that the football coaches, PSU administration, the board of trustees and possibly even the police department, district attorney's office and PA governors all played a part in the cover up.   While it's easy to assign blame to the dead guy, I find it difficult to believe that Paterno alone could strong arm the college admin, trustees, police dept and DA office, this reeks of a political coverup that includes former and current Governors Rendell and Corbett.  Corbett's campaign was partially financed by Sandusky's Second Mile Charity.

Paterno would have been able to strong arm a lot of people in powerful places he was viewed as highly as a governor in the state of PA especially in central PA. Blaming Corbett is a bit of a reach considering I believe it was Corbett who started investigating the whole thing when he was attorney general. I guess you could say Corbett could have had him arrested sooner if he had enough evidence. Looking at the Freeh blurbs I've had the chance to read Paterno had a lot to do with covering it up but blaming him entirely would be wrong. Anyone of the PSU staff that was in on the cover up could have come out but decided to go along with the cover up. It's a real shame that Paterno builds an amazing legacy and this is how he goes out.

Link to comment
Share on other sites


Originally Posted by Kapanda

The difference I see is in the gravity and level of responsibility, not in the nature of the act. If I then told my friends, who also found out about this, not to go to the police with it, then I see the case for a cover-up charge.

And to make things clear, by not coming out with it, Pa did something terrible. I agree that he bears a huge burden in this case. And if he did in fact tell others not to come out with it, then he is guilty of a cover-up.

Obstructing justice is obstructing justice.  From what I understand, Paterno, Gurley, Schultz and Spanier were all bound by Pennsylvania law to report the sexual abuse to the proper authorities, period.  In that regard, they are all guilty.  On top of that, Gurley and Schultz are under indictment for lying to a grand jury about the situation.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

What really gets me is, After McQueary saw the kid getting molested in the shower and reported it to Paterno.  Paterno then went and "reported" it up the chain.  The result of which was a meeting between McQueary and PSU higher-ups.  After which the decision was made for everyone to keep their mouths shut.  I mean this screams cover-up.  My intuition tells me Paterno ran to the AD/Univ Pres and said, "we have a big problem, someone knows about Sandusky".  After which the AD/Pres said, "well bring him here, we gotta shut him up".

Link to comment
Share on other sites


Originally Posted by bwdial

Obstructing justice is obstructing justice.  From what I understand, Paterno, Gurley, Schultz and Spanier were all bound by Pennsylvania law to report the sexual abuse to the proper authorities, period.  In that regard, they are all guilty.  On top of that, Gurley and Schultz are under indictment for lying to a grand jury about the situation.

They should make an example of this school and pull the federal financial aid programs.  It would result in a massive drop in attendance.  I know it penalizes kids that had nothing to do with it, but something has to be done.  Maybe help the kids that can't go to school without financial aid find suitable transfers to other schools.

Link to comment
Share on other sites


Originally Posted by Kapanda

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ4gZUJN4-c&feature;=player_embedded

Jay Paterno would obviously be biased. But he does make valid points.

These cases tend to cause knee-jerk reactions, so it is always necessary to aim for calmness and neutrality - and thank goodness for judicial processes.

I'm not sure that I'd call them "valid points".  JoePa "missed" things that people who are trained to catch "missed" isn't what happened.  JoePa swept things under the rug.  It is quite clear that he and the administration conspired to conceal what Sandusky was doing for nearly a decade and a half.  That's what the Board of Trustees copped to yesterday.  As for the judicial process, don't worry, it's coming like a freight train.  Now that the BoT has admitted culpability by allowing it to happen on their collective watch, I would imagine that every young man that was ever involved with The Second Mile will be lining up to sue.

Jay Paterno's statements are simply desperate damage control, which if you think about it, is why they are in this mess to begin with.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

Originally Posted by Mr3Wiggle

What really gets me is, After McQueary saw the kid getting molested in the shower and reported it to Paterno.  Paterno then went and "reported" it up the chain.  The result of which was a meeting between McQueary and PSU higher-ups.  After which the decision was made for everyone to keep their mouths shut.  I mean this screams cover-up.  My intuition tells me Paterno ran to the AD/Univ Pres and said, "we have a big problem, someone knows about Sandusky".  After which the AD/Pres said, "well bring him here, we gotta shut him up".

Originally Posted by bwdial

I'm not sure that I'd call them "valid points".  JoePa "missed" things that people who are trained to catch "missed" isn't what happened.  JoePa swept things under the rug.  It is quite clear that he and the administration conspired to conceal what Sandusky was doing for nearly a decade and a half.  That's what the Board of Trustees copped to yesterday.  As for the judicial process, don't worry, it's coming like a freight train.  Now that the BoT has admitted culpability by allowing it to happen on their collective watch, I would imagine that every young man that was ever involved with The Second Mile will be lining up to sue.

Jay Paterno's statements are simply desperate damage control, which if you think about it, is why they are in this mess to begin with.

This is the sort of stuff Jay was aiming at. There is nothing to conclude beyond reasonable doubt that Joe was proactively trying to ensure that things were kept under the rug. It is conclusive that he did not do enough, and he should have approached legal authorities (by that I mean cops) at various points since 98, but beyond that there is a lot of inferring being done.

This does not say that the common conclusion is incorrect, it simply says that it is at best premature.

I doubt that there will be an investigation much more thorough than this one though.

Link to comment
Share on other sites


I understand Paterno had a great deal of power in PA, but that doesn't explain why Corbett would take campaign contributions and allow a suspected child molester to host a campaign fund raiser on his behalf.   Also there's the D.A. Gricar that disappeared while investigating Sandusky.  There was a lot of cover up and looking the other way for it just to be fear of Paterno.

Originally Posted by clubchamp

Paterno would have been able to strong arm a lot of people in powerful places he was viewed as highly as a governor in the state of PA especially in central PA. Blaming Corbett is a bit of a reach considering I believe it was Corbett who started investigating the whole thing when he was attorney general. I guess you could say Corbett could have had him arrested sooner if he had enough evidence. Looking at the Freeh blurbs I've had the chance to read Paterno had a lot to do with covering it up but blaming him entirely would be wrong. Anyone of the PSU staff that was in on the cover up could have come out but decided to go along with the cover up. It's a real shame that Paterno builds an amazing legacy and this is how he goes out.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

Originally Posted by Kapanda

This is the sort of stuff Jay was aiming at. There is nothing to conclude beyond reasonable doubt that Joe was proactively trying to ensure that things were kept under the rug. It is conclusive that he did not do enough, and he should have approached legal authorities (by that I mean cops) at various points since 98, but beyond that there is a lot of inferring being done.

This does not say that the common conclusion is incorrect, it simply says that it is at best premature.

I doubt that there will be an investigation much more thorough than this one though.

A 267 page report compiled by the former Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation isn't exactly "inferring".

  • Upvote 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

I just read some comments on the Penn State Facebook page.  Disgusting comments going back and forth from both sides.  The anti-PSU crowd blasting everything, going as far as saying how PSU football stinks now, so who cares.  From the other side there are some PSU alums posting idiotic comments about how people need to leave the school alone so the Penn State community can heal.  Are you kidding me?

I've been fairly disgusted by how a number of the dumber PSU faithful have tried to make PSU and Paterno out to be the victims.  Everything from the candlelight vigil out front of Paterno's house to saying the man's whole life needs to be taken into account, not just the fact that he allowed the sexual assault of children for over a decade.  Reminds me of the old saying about how Mussolini made the trains run on time, how bad could he have been?

  • Upvote 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites


Note: This thread is 3348 days old. We appreciate that you found this thread instead of starting a new one, but if you plan to post here please make sure it's still relevant. If not, please start a new topic. Thank you!

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

 Share



  • Want to join this community?

    We'd love to have you!

    Sign Up
  • Support TST Affiliates

    TourStriker PlaneMate
    Golfer's Journal
    Whoop
    SuperSpeed
    FlightScope Mevo
    Use the code "iacas" for 10% off Mevo and the code "iacasjun21" for 10% off SuperSpeed.
  • Posts

    • I tried not to place blame too much on it in my previous posts, but it’s absolutely dogshit. Im embarrassed and pissed at how f***ing bad my putting is.   I’ll give you a rundown today. Started on hole 10, had a 10ft for birdie and missed. Not too upset at that. 11 was tough, just pulled a shot and lost it. Double bogey, wasn’t putting but knew I could easily recover with how many chances I’ve given myself all week. 12, 10ft birdie missed. Starting to get upset. 13, 8ft par putt missed; tee shot was a bit off so I’ll blame that but ultimately it should’ve been an easy make. 14, 30ft for birdie, 3 putt because I missed a 5ft par putt. 15, was upset but somehow made a sliding 12ft birdie. 16, barely short of green, elected to putt and ball took off.  Had 6ft coming back and missed that too. 17, 5ft for birdie missed. 18, par with a good up and down. 1, put my 2nd on a par 5 to 2ft, luckily that’s inside 4ft and I can make those, eagle which should hold up for a skin. 2, 15ft birdie missed. 3, 5ft birdie missed. 4…….. 4 putt from 20ft, the other putts were all around 5ft, I don’t freaking know. 5, made a good up and down (all up and downs were because putts were inside 4ft). No idea why my chipping was reasonable today, but I’ll take it. 6, 12ft birdie missed. 7, 15ft birdie missed. 8, 15ft birdie once again f***ing missed. 9, a good up and down because I chipped to 2ft. Story of all 3 days. Had two 4 putts, too many 3 putts and a huge amount of birdie putts missed inside 15ft. My approaches were on fire. Driver I figured out eventually but too late. Shot 75 today. Won’t finish in money but I won 2 skins to get a little. I’m pissed.  
    • Nothing really surprising with the picks besides Rahm Sergio. Did not see that being a team or 1st out for Euros. I like the Keopka Berger pairing. That is a balls to the wall pairing.  Paul and Hovland was a bit of a surprise. However the Euros have been saying all week everyone wanted to play with him so maybe not. They will be playing 2 of the most relaxed Americans should be good. 
    • I think lot of the unvaccinated have adopted that as an identity or maybe a counter identity (never sheep). A badge of honor. Logic, data, science can't shake them. Ironically some of them are all over Ivermectin. Tragic. @Wanzo, I would venture to guess there very very few who are considering the surge in Vermont or Singapore in spite of the high vaccination rate as a reason to stay unvexed. 
    • Reminds me of what the Euro's did in 2004; signs up all over Oakland Hills - NO AUTOGRAPHS. Team USA took that to heart, they didn't even acknowledge the fans (this was a Tuesday practice round). And most of  the European players would walk along the ropes around the green and up to the next tee, they had sharpies with them, and sign tickets, hats, programs, etc.  I'm not sure it mattered once the event started, because it was a completely different crowd and atmosphere on Friday when they were playing keeps. And there wasn't nearly the social media then, but still they were much more engaging with the fans; and it was appreciated. 
  • Today's Birthdays

    1. AWebb85
      AWebb85
      (36 years old)
    2. grilljm
      grilljm
      (75 years old)
    3. Joe92385
      Joe92385
      (36 years old)

×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

Welcome to TST! Signing up is free, and you'll see fewer ads and can talk with fellow golf enthusiasts! By using TST, you agree to our Terms of Use, our Privacy Policy, and our Guidelines.

The popup will be closed in 10 seconds...