Slicefixer or Stack and Tilt

[outlaw1984]

The people at GolfWrx.com are big fans of Geoff Jones teaching method....Do you guys know anything about it.....also is it maybe a better instruction than the Stack and Tilt?

Thanks

[MiniBlueDragon]

The "better method" is the method that works best for you personally, whether it's Stack & Tilt, Slicefixer, MORAD, One-Plane, Two-Plane, CP released, CF released or made of cream cheese (my personal favourite swing)

[iacas]

Two paths to success in this world (playing golf):

1. Find a good to great instructor.
2. Do what they say.

Or

1. Research like crazy, spending hundreds of hours of your time.
2. Pick and choose parts from what a whole bunch of people say. You might take 80% from one person, or 1%, but you'll get somewhere in the end.

Advantages to the first: the instructor gets to actually SEE your unique swing, body shape, faults, etc. You save a whole lot of time and will likely improve more quickly. (By good to great instructor I'm talking about one who does part 1 in the second option himself, of course.)

Advantages to the second: you get the satisfaction of doing it yourself and don't have to pay an instructor, I suppose. :)

Geoff is a really good instructor. ALL instruction suffers when the instructor can't see what you're doing, or see that you're applying his directions properly (or improperly).

I know you're new to golf, outlaw, so I'd encourage you to do a bit research on your own, then find an instructor with whom you can work if at all possible.

[inthehole]

I can tell you from my experience reading the stack & tilt book and doing ALOT of online research ... S&T; changed me from a profound slicer to a consistent draw shot (unfortunately, too much draw is usually the case & my miss now is a duck hook, which I guess is better than a slice, but just about as frustrating).     I'm in the process of weakening my grip & that helps with the hook, but it's a huge adjustment in feel.

[bunkerputt]

Originally Posted by iacas

Two paths to success in this world (playing golf):

Why not do both?  That way you can prove your instructor has you on the right track and you can defend against bad instruction as well.

[iacas]

Originally Posted by bunkerputt

Why not do both?  That way you can prove your instructor has you on the right track and you can defend against bad instruction as well.

Yeah, that's fine too. I probably shouldn't have called them "paths" as that would imply that you go down one or the other.

[x129]

Path 3: Play a lot of golf and some how things turn out right. How many books do you think Bubba Watson has read?

Personally I would find the best instructor in your area (yeah that can be hard) and ask him about the swing he likes. If it sounds remotely close to what you want, go with it. I would much rather have a great teacher teaching a modern swing than a poor one teaching S&T; or vice versa.

Originally Posted by iacas

Two paths to success in this world (playing golf):

Find a good to great instructor.

Do what they say.

Or

Research like crazy, spending hundreds of hours of your time.

Pick and choose parts from what a whole bunch of people say. You might take 80% from one person, or 1%, but you'll get somewhere in the end.

Advantages to the first: the instructor gets to actually SEE your unique swing, body shape, faults, etc. You save a whole lot of time and will likely improve more quickly. (By good to great instructor I'm talking about one who does part 1 in the second option himself, of course.)

Advantages to the second: you get the satisfaction of doing it yourself and don't have to pay an instructor, I suppose. :)

Geoff is a really good instructor. ALL instruction suffers when the instructor can't see what you're doing, or see that you're applying his directions properly (or improperly).

I know you're new to golf, outlaw, so I'd encourage you to do a bit research on your own, then find an instructor with whom you can work if at all possible.

[iacas]

Originally Posted by x129

Path 3: Play a lot of golf and some how things turn out right. How many books do you think Bubba Watson has read?

Thing is, no sane person would choose that plan if they wanted more than a teeny tiny chance of having decent results. Bubba = outlier.

[Zeph]

Bubba is one of few that has made it to the tour without as much instruction as perhaps the next guy. Then you look at the average amateur out there and see where they get on their own. Perhaps down to 20-ish if they are lucky. Using random advice you stumble upon on the internet, if you don't really know what's going on in your swing, is like shooting at a target blindfolded. You might hit it, but chances are you'll miss pretty bad most of the time. Instruction through video or hands-on is the way to go, no doubt about it. You can of course combine working on stuff yourself and using instructors, as I've done myself. Doesn't work for everyone though. I've seen people reference Slicefixer's document of some kind, but haven't read any of it myself. He's probably a great instructor, but he'll probably agree that the best way is to have someone else see your swing, not just give out advice based on your explanations. Do I have to say "feel is not real"? I worked a bit on my swing myself before signing up with Evolvr, and I was pretty amazed at how much instruction helped. I could look at my swing all day long without figuring out where to start. During the time I used instruction, I also learned a lot, which gives me a better foundation for making changes myself today. Some of the stuff I worked on back a couple of years ago needs to be tidied up a bit. Having gone through the process before, I know what to do. I even got the video lessons on my computer and can watch them any time I want. Instruction given to me personally based on my swing, not what I believe I do based on the wrong ball flight laws (yeah, I thought my slice was caused by an open clubface).

[mvmac]

Originally Posted by outlaw1984

The people at GolfWrx.com are big fans of Geoff Jones teaching method....Do you guys know anything about it.....also is it maybe a better instruction than the Stack and Tilt?

Thanks

Both are good and I'll throw 5 Simple Keys into the mix.  Whatever you focus on it's important to spend time with an instructor in these systems.  Can't do it by yourself without proper training.

[mchepp]

Originally Posted by iacas

Two paths to success in this world (playing golf):

Find a good to great instructor.

Do what they say.

Or

Research like crazy, spending hundreds of hours of your time.

Pick and choose parts from what a whole bunch of people say. You might take 80% from one person, or 1%, but you'll get somewhere in the end.

Advantages to the first: the instructor gets to actually SEE your unique swing, body shape, faults, etc. You save a whole lot of time and will likely improve more quickly. (By good to great instructor I'm talking about one who does part 1 in the second option himself, of course.)

Advantages to the second: you get the satisfaction of doing it yourself and don't have to pay an instructor, I suppose. :)

Geoff is a really good instructor. ALL instruction suffers when the instructor can't see what you're doing, or see that you're applying his directions properly (or improperly).

I know you're new to golf, outlaw, so I'd encourage you to do a bit research on your own, then find an instructor with whom you can work if at all possible.

Ugh! I have definitely been down the second road. It is ridiculously long and promises lots of chances to get lost and frustrated. My challenge is I don't have a very good pro nearby and I have done the internet instruction thing and for the most part I have made it work, but it is no cakewalk.

I would completely agree with iacas that I now know when an instructor is feeding me bull****. I can throw it away immediately.

If you live near Geoff you should go see him. At the very least you can soak up tons of instructional information. Tons.

[canadianpro]

One of the challenges facing the instructor is the way the information is relayed to the student. After being a good instructor for the past 20 years (I was not a very good instructor during the first 20 years of being a PGA Professional) I have learned that the theories remain fairly constant but there are many ways to get the student to understand what he or she has to do. Minds of golfers vary and it takes time to learn what works and what doesn't. I have attended two of Dave, Erik and Mike's golf schools and have learned a lot by just listening to different methods of imparting the message.

So, if you do take instruction and don't understand what the instructor is saying, ask if there is another "thought" that could result in the same result. Good instructors will immediately have another way.

[gspjeb]

I am a firm believer that they are both great systems.  I personally subscribe to the slicefixer technique but there is quite a bit of overlap to the two systems.  All systems can be a path to great ball striking...ya just got to stick with it and get some help from a pro.

S and T would probably be easier to do that with...good luck