My Swing (PumaAttack)

[pumaAttack]

12 minutes ago, mvmac said:

Tough to get shallow on the downswing if you're already shallow on the backswing. 

First step would be to allow the arms to gain depth as you turn your body. Put a tee in your left armpit, that will help lessen the amount the arms roll on the backswing. It'll feel like zero rotation of the forearms on the takeaway.

Like this. Compare your club face position at A2 and the orientation of the shaft (hand depth) at A3 to Ko's.

 

 

Why does the backswing matter?  I am shallow on the downswing with this current swing video.   I am well outside the ball at A5 and spot on at A6.  

Swing sequence today:

 

Edited May 27, 2016 by pumaAttack

[iacas]

17 minutes ago, pumaAttack said:

Why does the backswing matter?

Because it does.

If you're too shallow on the backswing you're probably going to steepen it in transition.

[pumaAttack]

1 minute ago, iacas said:

Because it does.

If you're too shallow on the backswing you're probably going to steepen it in transition.

 That is an awful answer. 

I hit all the key position on the downswing and my Evolvr coach didnt mention my backswing position as a concern.  

Please give a detailed explanation why it is sooo bad?  I am plenty shallow on my downswing.

Edited May 27, 2016 by pumaAttack

[iacas]

2 minutes ago, pumaAttack said:

That is an awful answer. 

Please give a detailed explanation why it is sooo bad?  I am plenty shallow on my downswing.

No thanks.

@mvmac gave you an answer, you refuted it, I elaborated it, and you told me that it was a terrible answer.

[pumaAttack]

1 minute ago, iacas said:

@mvmac gave you an answer, you refuted it, I elaborated it, and you told me that it was a terrible answer.

 

No, I asked why it matters when I hit the downswing positions just fine.

He never gave any answers, just stated to model another golfer while ignoring my downswing altogether. 

Edited May 27, 2016 by pumaAttack

[iacas]

3 minutes ago, pumaAttack said:

No, I asked why it matters when I hit the downswing positions just fine.

He never gave any answers, just stated to model another golfer while ignoring my downswing altogether. 

You're not hitting good positions.

[pumaAttack]

9 minutes ago, iacas said:

You're not hitting good positions.

 

Why is that a factor?  

I am posting my priority piece from a4 to a5.   That shaft angle of my downswing you posted as "not good" is identical to Robert Rock's...  Please give some detailed info as to why it is not a good position.

So far I have hit all of my checklist positions and the angles are identical to a pros.  I'd say that is pretty good...

Edited May 27, 2016 by pumaAttack

[taxgolf]

41 minutes ago, mvmac said:

Tough to get shallow on the downswing if you're already shallow on the backswing. 

First step would be to allow the arms to gain depth as you turn your body. Put a tee in your left armpit, that will help lessen the amount the arms roll on the backswing. It'll feel like zero rotation of the forearms on the takeaway.

Like this. Compare your club face position at A2 and the orientation of the shaft (hand depth) at A3 to Ko's.

 

I watched that Ko clip a couple of times. I found it difficult to spot the learning point, but I think I saw it. To me, she takes the club up and starting the backswing, it droppes ever so slightly on a flatter plane. 

Golf. So difficult. Time to for me to just hush, listen, read and watch. 

[pumaAttack]

5 minutes ago, taxgolf said:

I watched that Ko clip a couple of times. I found it difficult to spot the learning point, but I think I saw it. To me, she takes the club up and starting the backswing, it droppes ever so slightly on a flatter plane. 

Golf. So difficult. Time to for me to just hush, listen, read and watch. 

 

Every golfer has a different backswing, it is silly to copy one golfers like that.  The backswing position of Lydia Ko has no affect on your swing.

Edited May 27, 2016 by pumaAttack

[Golfingdad]

15 minutes ago, pumaAttack said:

He never gave any answers, just stated to model another golfer while ignoring my downswing altogether. 

Sure he did ...

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Tough to get shallow on the downswing if you're already shallow on the backswing.

First step would be to allow the arms to gain depth as you turn your body. Put a tee in your left armpit, that will help lessen the amount the arms roll on the backswing. It'll feel like zero rotation of the forearms on the takeaway.

Everything in the golf swing is affected by what precedes it.  And @mvmac knows what he's talking about, so him giving you backswing advice doesn't mean he's "ignoring" your downswing.  It means that if you make those changes, you'll see improvement, and it will likely lead to improvement in your downswing as well.

Erik's screenshot with angles shows that you're going shallow to steep and it should be the other way around.  Ideally those two images would just trade places.  It's hard.  I'm working on this as well.

[pumaAttack]

8 minutes ago, Golfingdad said:

Sure he did ...

Everything in the golf swing is affected by what precedes it.  And @mvmac knows what he's talking about, so him giving you backswing advice doesn't mean he's "ignoring" your downswing.  It means that if you make those changes, you'll see improvement, and it will likely lead to improvement in your downswing as well.

Erik's screenshot with angles shows that you're going shallow to steep and it should be the other way around.  Ideally those two images would just trade places.  It's hard.  I'm working on this as well.

Well I get they are connect but I have yet to hear why it matters when I DO hit my downswing positions.

A5 is pointing outside the ball.

The angle Eric posted is identical in degrees to Robert Rocks at that same position and mirrors my plane from A5.

My clubface is slightly inside my hands and slightly closed at A6.

 

Not sure how being shallow on my backswing could affect my downswing so terribly when I hit so many positions well.  Why does it have to go from steep to shallow?

Its also odd that two of the instructors here are ignoring that I am working on a priority piece that  my own Evolvr coach said to focus on.  He directly told me my backswing position at A3 was not a concern at this time.

Edited May 27, 2016 by pumaAttack

[iacas]

1 minute ago, pumaAttack said:

Well I get they are connect but I have yet to hear why it matters when I DO hit my downswing positions.

You really aren't.

There is more to the swing than measuring angles.

Your A4 to A5 isn't good either. You do it with hand and arm depth instead of doing it properly.

6 minutes ago, pumaAttack said:

Not sure how being shallow on my backswing could affect my downswing so terribly when I hit so many positions well.  Why does it have to go from steep to shallow?

I answered that already. I think that was my"awful answer."

[pumaAttack]

11 minutes ago, iacas said:

You really aren't.

There is more to the swing than measuring angles.

Your A4 to A5 isn't good either. You do it with hand and arm depth instead of doing it properly.

I answered that already. I think that was my"awful answer."

 

So why does one angle matter and when I hit that angle it doesn't matter?

Are my hands in a bad spot at a6?

What about my Evolvr priority piece?

 

 

[iacas]

4 minutes ago, pumaAttack said:

So why does one angle matter and when I hit that angle it doesn't matter?

There is no "one angle" that matters. I didn't use angles to prove anything other than the fact that you're going shallow to steep. It's only because you're so shallow on the backswing that when you steepen you stay "kinda" shallow, but you're basically faking it. The club is tipping out the entire downswing.

4 minutes ago, pumaAttack said:

Are my hands in a bad spot at a6?

They are at 2, 3, 4, and 5. They look "okay" at 6 but you have to consider where the shaft and sweetspot were and where they're going.

I do see you submitted videos on May 6, May 12, and May 16. That's most likely not an effective use of evolvr.

Now, Tony, I'm done talking about this. You've been rude and disrespectful. You've ignored answers given or called them "awful" and behaved as if we're just ripping you up when everything we've done today has been to help you.

[billchao]

@pumaAttack, giving people a hard time who are trying to help you and using their spare time to do it is probably not the best way to go about things.

Everything you want to know is on the site somewhere. It's not just about hitting certain positions, but how you got there. The path you take from A4 to A5 affects how you get to A6 and ultimately to A7. So while you can take a snapshot at A6 and see a good position, it doesn't tell the whole story of the swing.

BTW shallowing improperly just leads to different compensations.

[pumaAttack]

1 minute ago, billchao said:

@pumaAttack, giving people a hard time who are trying to help you and using their spare time to do it is probably not the best way to go about things.

Everything you want to know is on the site somewhere. It's not just about hitting certain positions, but how you got there. The path you take from A4 to A5 affects how you get to A6 and ultimately to A7. So while you can take a snapshot at A6 and see a good position, it doesn't tell the whole story of the swing.

BTW shallowing improperly just leads to different compensations.

Thanks for your reply.

I was not giving people a hard time, I was asking them to answer a question that they kept ignoring. Them just repeating, "you aren't", is not a good reply.  As far as I can tell I have hit all the positions in my swing that my coach has me working on.

I know how you got there matters and I was asking for help and clarification on what they were saying.  My own Evolvr coach has not made those a priority piece for me so not sure why the other Evolvr coach on here ignored that I am working on something else at the moment.  

 

Most importantly though,

I have learned to just ignore this thread and focus on my lessons with my Evolvr coach.  No more posting in here.  If one coach can't get on the same page as the other, it is best to stick to the one who knows your swing best.

8 minutes ago, iacas said:

There is no "one angle" that matters. I didn't use angles to prove anything other than the fact that you're going shallow to steep. It's only because you're so shallow on the backswing that when you steepen you stay "kinda" shallow, but you're basically faking it. The club is tipping out the entire downswing.

They are at 2, 3, 4, and 5. They look "okay" at 6 but you have to consider where the shaft and sweetspot were and where they're going.

I do see you submitted videos on May 6, May 12, and May 16. That's not at all an effective use of evolvr.

Now, Tony, I'm done talking about this. You've been rude and disrespectful. You've ignored answers given or called them "awful" and behaved as if we're just ripping you up when everything we've done today has been to help you.

Kinda shallow?

i have the same angle as the pros I compared myself too...  roughly 55 degrees at A5.  Why is my angle bad here?

 

Ha, so you checked the dates and know the whole story, eh?   I am no longer posting here either, you are not helpful to my progression.

 

 

[iacas]

Tony, it's a lie to say we didn't answer your questions or share the "why."

You were rude first and only. So just stop.

[pumaAttack]

7 minutes ago, iacas said:

Tony, it's a lie to say we didn't answer your questions or share the "why."

You were rude first and only. So just stop.

 

@mvmac, the person I asked the question to, has yet to respond.

I called your answer of "Because it does" awful.  Because is not an actual answer but a quick response lacking any discourse on the subject.  I asked why it mattered and told I was wrong...

it is also RUDE to repeatedly cut out my other comments and just attack my backswing when its not my priority piece, which you should know all about.  

Edited May 27, 2016 by pumaAttack